Wrong.
Please tell me how I am wrong? tell me how you miss both the visual and audio cues that telegraph the riposte ability. I could see you missing one or the other but not both. Do you have tunnel vision? Do you need to see the LMB as you furiously spam it?
I’m more than happy to elaborate, but I’m not interested in your combative manner and consistent insults and patronizations.
My point, as I have stated already, is that Riposte can come out of a weapon swap animation cancel when the secondary weapon is equipped, and there are so many abilities that are un-cancelable that would be used into it that Riposte will get triggered with no counterplay; this is exacerbated when the rapier player is in near more than one opponent and has plenty of attacks coming in to help guarantee a successful trigger, but I digress. The telegraph is just nonexistent. If you’ve seen it used that way, then you know what I’m talking about.
Solution to that problem is simple don’t get baited. And if you do, the second you hear the audible cue and you can’t cancel then dodge lol.
I disagree and I’m done dragging this conversation out. People will decide for themselves whose argument holds weight. Best of luck.
you might be dragging this convo out forever. Rapier with a limp reposte is going to struggle in the pvp scene to be a viable weapon. your argument is the instant frame 1 counter but many weapons have these abilities and you don’t address any of them.
Great Axe Reap is frame 1
Void Gauntlet scream is frame 2
Firestaff Fireball is frame 2
Ice Gauntlet Storm is frame 1
sword and shield leap is frame 2
are you going to claim these abilities need to be nerfed too? I feel like you lack the pvp experience to claim that reposte is too strong when a simple light attack can bait it out. If you toggle through weapon abilities with no thought process and wonder why everyone dodges and counters you through it all, it might be due to your lack of skill instead of weapon stats you deem unfair
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Untill it becomes the meta I don’t think anyone is going to take your complaints seriously.
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Unfortunately this what MMO’s have become, low skill players crying incessanltly until the entire game is nerfed into oblivion. Then they move on to another game and ruin it too.
I mentioned in my preface that I was going to make other posts about other weapons’ abilities to include some that you listed, I just can’t format and organize that many thoughts, that thoroughly in one post.
Do not simplify my post to one argument about telegraph; that’s only part of it.
The rest of this is you putting words in my mouth and assuming I’m a terrible game player.
I’m neither crying nor low-skill. Insults make forums worse.
Rapier bow, rapier musket, rapier lifestaff, and rapier void are all really popular on my server right now. I’m not sure how many more combos are gonna come out. some strength builds are carrying one around just to equip for the chase. It’s crazy.
I’m not destroying NW and I’m not interested in engaging with you anymore. This is off topic.
So what? they are giving up offensive damage for defence if they are using rapier with grace tree…
if you use weak reasons to advocate for a nerf, you will always get this kind of feed back.
I feel like you speak out of frustration and your logic is “its hard to react to” but as everyone keeps telling you, if you aren’t spamming abilities and attacks its very easy to deal with. not to mention the stun cone is like 2 meters, you have to be boderline hugging them to get hit if you are too lazy to dodge. Spear and greataxe can hit reposte and not even get stunned due to range. Where is your logic there?
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Which reasons specifically were weak. You haven’t raised any.
It’s fine for us to disagree about the telegraph. It exists. It’s not that it’s hard to react to. It’s that there is no reaction to it. It comes out instantly, while the attacker is locked into an un-cancelable attack.
You know, I’m honestly fine with the disagreement. I don’t have the energy to keep refuting. Players and devs will either agree with me or agree with you, but I think my arguments are quite compelling.
im so glad you asked
comparing this game to league, where league as abiltiies that have like 1-2 minute CDs is so wrong. they got across the map cds, close range/instant blow up character deleting abilities. Not comparable under any circumstance since you can’t dodge spam most abilities in the first place. Totally different game bro
your own quote:
Rapier:
Riposte needs a nerf. Riposte is, I’m nearly certain of it, the single strongest ‘counter-attack/stasis’ type of ability in video games maybe ever. That statement isn’t hyperbole. I really mean that. I really challenge you to think back through all of the multiplayer games you’ve played and imagine a better “free-outplay” button. Here’s a laundry list of issues with the ability that I think make it the single best counter-attack skill I’ve ever seen and some proposed nerfs to consider individually or all together.
There is no outplay, there is only hit you with a stun and dodge one of your attacks in doing so. ONE ATTACK, not a whole weapon ability kit. you got 2 weapons, 6 abilities, and one might get countered. with 5 left, if you can’t bring out a result in your favor thats more due to your skill.
I did not compare this game to League of Legends. I compared one ability from this game, to one ability from League of Legends. They are comparable. They do similar things. You avoid that nuance and go straight for your paper tiger. So I’m good man. I’ll let the arguments sit.
so that’s your defense for league reference, you’re just going to ignore the two weapon ability comment? 5 abilities left assuming you wasted one on the counter, you wont die from a single heavy attack from the rapier. what then?
There is no outplay, there is only hit you with a stun and dodge one of your attacks in doing so. ONE ATTACK, not a whole weapon ability kit. you got 2 weapons, 6 abilities, and one might get countered. with 5 left, if you can’t bring out a result in your favor thats more due to your skill.
For what it’s worth the low cooldowns on rapier ensure there is always an answer to the opponents longer cooldowns. 6 second evade with stamina refund, which I mentioned. 12 second Riposte with tempo on the free 2.5 second stun. What is Fleche? 17? I can’t remember. So, over time its not 1:1 counter. It adds up pretty quickly in favor of the rapier.