yea I agree
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Thanks, I feel like it strikes a good balance between cost, time, etc as well as ties in the other aspects of end game. I ran some M9s last night and got like 100 useless items… Basically just repair parts and a few gold. So would feel much better being able to use those for something.
I do feel like this needs to be tied to tradeskills as it adds more relevance to them. Right now, there really is no reason to get Major Profession Trophies, considering the difference between a 590 craft and 598 craft is just a little Umbral Shards… So why spend 30k or 50k on a trophy to bump your GS craft up +1 or +2 when you can run 1 Mutation instead and get all the umbral you need to make that difference?
I feel including this system with professions really gives BIG incentive to either get those professions up yourself, or know someone who has them, who can do this for you.
100% We need a system around this type. The disparity between a usable PVP setup and a entry level setup is huge. Further the likely hood you’ll get full BiS is essentially 0.
I’ve been playing for 2k+ Hours, the best I’ve managed is BiS weapons (named drops) and only 1 true bis random piece for my build
(Refreshing Evasion + Resil + weapon perk) This piece was extremely expensive, but money isn’t the problem… I have a ton of coin! The issue is that these gear pieces never get created in the first place.
A major thing I would change . . .
Take it out of the hands of armor/weaponsmiths. You kind of have to. Why? The BOP component. I have had some interesting leggos drop that are NOT named but BOP.
So how do we solve this? The solution is kinda already in game! The gypsum kiln. Imagine going to the kiln. You choose the armor/weapon that you want to reroll. You put in the weapon/armor you want to reroll. You pay in umbral shard currency. But wait . . . you can now get some form of a timeless shard item that will let you reroll. Those shards are farmable, drop from expeditions, etc. The kiln already has the code in it for cooldowns per slot.
Why am I trying to get away from crafters? Because small servers may not have buffs running, tables up, etc. This method, imo, is more inclusive.
I hear you, but I dont think we should remove it from crafters. Town Buffs only account for a small 5%. Most of your % will come from 6/6 Gear + Trophies, Food, etc.
Getting the ability to re-forge gear, is going to mean the difference between like a 20k item, and 300k item. I mean getting like some Resilient + Refreshing Evasion + Beast Ward item, and being able to re-roll that and possibly landing on an ability perk? Thats a “God Roll” and should have some drastic ramifications.
I really think this strikes a fair balance. If you have BOP gear, and upgrade it yourself… I mean heck even with my EXACT proposal %s, just throwing on the food alone would take you from 30% to 45% success rate. Pick up some MINOR trophies, and I believe thats another 9%?
So with very minimal investment, no town buffs, no armor gear, no greater trophies. An “Average Joe” could have a 50%+ chance of success at 10 attempts/day in re-forging the gear.
Right now, nobody really gets excited to be a crafter, or to know a crafter with 3x Majors, etc.
Not only does the “average joe” have their own 10x daily CDs you could use on BOP gear, but if you happen to have some nice BOE gear and want to re-roll, you can pay or give your “bro” who is a maxed crafter the mats, to have a higher chance of success and not waste your mats…
I feel it strikes a very fair balance between “expert” and “average Joe” as well as BOP vs BOE, as well as the “Cost” of Repair Kits + Azoth, etc.
Costing Umbral doesnt really do anything to the “economy” other than makes Mutations even more necessary… Why? If it only costs 100 Umbral per re-forge I can do a few M9/10s and with just that Umbral likely get a “God-Roll” item. Too easy.
If it costs 1000 Umbral. Now people are forced back into running M9/10s and not being able to play the way they want, etc.
The FOCUS here, was not just on having a system to Re-forge, but also having crafters be involved, azoth, repair kits, etc. all to “Sync” together all the end game systems we already have.
But players will complain about the time gate like they complained about keys to get into the dungeon.
They will complain about the dungeon and about the few quantity of reforge and if you give to them unlimited dungeons runs and decrease its rewards try avoiding devaluation of items and economy they will complain again.
Too many layers of RNG are currently in the game. It’s not fun, it’s not rewarding.
Take a look at loot 2.0 in diablo 3.
i can only get behind this IF 1 perk can be re rolled ONLY
like once you “pick the original rerolled perk” you can only reroll THAT perk.
it should NEVER be a FULL reroll system, where we can “craft BIS” with enough RErolls… because dropped gear is pointless at that point…
I hear ya, Im not quite sure if thats true or not. I mean you wouldnt take like some Beastward + Corrupted Resist piece of gear and start re-rolling it for perks.
Ill point out, I DIDNT include the ability to re-roll STATS, just Perks. So if you think about that, to get an item worth re-rolling it would take the right weight of the item, with the right stats, and 1 of 2 perks you want. You would then need to re-roll the other perk probably 50-100 times, which could take you like 2+ weeks of re-rolling that ONE item, to get a 2 perk item.
I can forsee the new “meta” of making gear, focusing on trying to find a Legendary item, with the right weight, stats, and ONE perk that matches what you want (like Resilient) and then starting the long journey of re-rolling the 2nd perk, and then the 3rd, etc.
Did any of that invalidate the loot? I dont know. You had to find/drop a Legendary item, that has the right weight, stats, perk to start rolling.
Again, considering AGS has total control over the “cost” levers here… I mean shoot, lets say just ONE re-forge costs 1000 Azoth and 10 Repair Kits… Its going to take you a LONG time (and money) to re-forge just ONE stat on ONE piece of gear.
I am with you in that I dont think the path to getting a 3 perk legendary should be attainable that easily. I think between not allowing the STATS to re-roll. Not allowing the WEIGHT of the armor to re-roll (obviously). Balancing the proper Azoth/Repair Kit cost and maybe any sort of “Cooldown” on the process… It definitely would not be easy to get a 3 perk item you are after… It might take you literally weeks and weeks to get 1 “BIS” piece at that point.
you lack the foresight of the economy driven game ??.. vials of zoth are tradable with enough cash you can just buy all the zoth you want, and since some company’s that own windsward ect have max money on all there players, price point does not matter to them. or you just spam gathering trade skills and gain both vials/tools with zoth on gather, or corruption portals… ect… to many ways to refill zoth with enough motivation, so this is a invalid consumable, it only limits the casual… and repair parts can be bought/created VERY SUPER EASY… you just make iron 2handed weapon and salvage for 12 parts ?? duh) the Cool down is your only limiting factor here… and its not enough…
my previous remake on your idea (a great idea i like 80 % of it, and just adding some feedback/thoughts on how to improve it IMO) the “1 perk slot” at best can be rerolled unlimitedly, has to be accepted with your idea, because otherwise crafting is just holding on to “decent” items that you RNG spam for weeks (daily login for CD uses are LAME and it drives a play for 5 minute a day then log off mentality)
with my idea, it gives a drive to find / craft these items, otherwise it becomes like Path of exile… all you need is the best “base” (blank rolled item) to just “mod till your happy” making our gear ALL custom rolled… its a bad idea. imo
the better option for your craft idea …
let us upgrade 2perk purples with a RANDOM (never per-determined) to 600 triple perk’ers
limited by CD for crafters… and maybe even making them BOP after upgrading…
it would make EVERYONE want to craft again… for new players to level crafting (as most don’t anymore cause you can get ANY crafting done with a simple shout out in global)
it would validate the 590+ 2 godly perk items to being the new “market hot item” to buy / and bump for a random chance once you push to 600 to become 3 perfect perked, and giving crafters a away to make money on there skills post end game
i agree RNG system now is unforgiving, brutal, anti casual gamer, anti-fun even
Hey Cheers for the discussion and thanks for the input.
I agree, the cost vs reward needs a balance. I am not opposed to them locking the ability to re-roll to just ONE perk on the item. That would require you to get a “near-miss” or whatever, where the item has like 3/4 or 4/5 aspects you are looking for, and is off in just 1 area, and this system allows you to address that 1 area and get it to where you want it to be.
I agree that Azoth is dirt cheap, however, I think if there were a reason to spend Azoth, you would see Vials grow in price again. I am not opposed to making 1 “re-roll” attempt cost 1,000 Azoth. The more we discuss this, the more I think 1,000 Azoth should be the cost of 1 attempt at a re-roll.
As for repair parts, yes - you can make an Iron 2H Weapon and salvage for repair parts. So maybe that requires some revision. Crafted weapons already provide you back some of the mats to craft, maybe they shouldnt provide ANY repair parts, so you cannot skirt around repair parts in this system for the repair kits. So this would mean only actual DROPPED gear provides repair parts for kits, which now creates an economy/market for almost every single dropped part in the game. I can easily see a world in which every player is constantly making repair kits to sell since they would be in high demand. Which I think helps the economy out, as this starts spreading the wealth around from the rich companies, to the average players as you are right, the rich companies will be going to the market and just buying all the mats needed. Repair Kits, Azoth, Mods, etc.
This is where the more I think about it, the more this “re-forge” system DOES need a CD. I agree a daily CD is lame, and why I think a WEEKLY CD would probably be the best approach, mixed with all the above.
If an “average 200 armorer” with no trophies, no gear, etc. Has only 10 attempts/week and is likely to FAIL 3-5 of those attempts, thats a massive cost.
This encourages people (as you said) to level armoring, to acquire the Major trophies, etc. For a higher chance of success.
So I think its all there, and doing 1,000 Azoth per re-forge. Removing Repair parts from crafting gear. Having it a 10/week CD, with the chance to fail system. All balances this out.
The Weekly CD makes it so companies cannot just “buy” their way immediately. It increases the value of the best crafters, and encourages everyone to level again.
If you want to take it a step FURTHER and restrict the re-forge to 1 “perk slot” on an item, I am fine with it 100%, but I am also worries AGS doesnt have the ability/code ability to do that easily. I dont know their limitations, so I didnt suggest that upfront.
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To be absolutely fair… they dont care anyway.
its not like they arent the ones buying up all the asmo cool downs and burning rolls.
this isnt an issue with the economy it self.
its an issue with how ridiculous territory control is. (some territories)
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This is a great idea and a fantastic alternative to overhauling the entire crafting / perk selection system.
While the idea to re-roll is great, the use if Craft Mods is bad - some craft mods (even for bad perks) are almost non-existant in game. I played since 1st day, have 2k+ hours and I found 1 (one!) shimering animus. So yeah…
did you know all the animuses drop in armine?
a group of 5 lv 60s can burn that in like 10 minutes. usually poping out with one per person.
cash money on brilliant or shining.
been running that to power level lower levels in the company. and the orbs are cheap.
What a great idea, I love it.
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@aaronmsmith88 These are all Great ideas! Definitely was interesting going through all the points you made as well as with the suggestions. The team can really benefit from this information and I have made a note and forwarded it through with the thread link.
We hope this can create some new ideas for the team and overall improve New World!
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Hey @BRGF Thanks for visiting and taking time to read through the thread. Very happy to see it at least made someone’s radar.
I agree, the goal here was to get some new creative ideas for the team and improve NW overall. Maybe this system or this system inspires them to do something else. Either way, I think everyone agrees we need something like this, where we can take “near-miss” items that are close to what we want, and refine them just a little bit to bring them more in tune with the pieces we are looking for.
I will share one of the most frustrating things for me is running Mutations and getting some really good piece but then has some wasted perk, or is the wrong stat, etc. So I think allowing people to take these “near-good” items and make them “good” would be VERY welcome to the game!
Cheers!
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@aaronmsmith88 Sure thing, we are constantly scanning through and even if you do not see posts from CM’s and Mods on threads, please know we are always gathering feedback.
We have received an update that the team in fact has received the report. We cannot make any promises but hopefully, this can spark up some new ideas for further improvement in New World. We all want the game to reach its potential but we also want it to be a really great experience for all.
We would like to thank you for your time and effort put into this thread!
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I really like this idea!!
One thing in my head is the change to the usage of the epic craft materials. Right now, to “reroll” an item requires the full set of asmo, runic, phoenix. Moving to this system would take a big chunk out of those markets.
I’m not sure if that’s a problem or not. Maybe another item could be added to this mix, required for the reroll, that is crafted out of 1-2x each epic mat. Just a thought. .
This might be going out on a limb but perhaps reforging could even become a new tradeskill. One that unlocks after other skills reach 200 perhaps. This is a massive shift to how we look at gear… For the better!! And it deserves its own spotlight, IMHO, and not just a new set of really complicated recipes in the existing tradeskills (timeless shards are great but crafting those… Omg gathering mats is like calculus hehe)
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