Sword & Shield one shot build (rapier/mages nightmare)

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it honestly just depends on who you’re vs.
I was in a fight where it’s best not to use that rotation just because (while it does decent burst where they can’t move) it leaves you wide open for their rotations IF they can survive with half health remaining, basically if your playing vs a heavy armor + higher con, you have to leave that combo out of your rotation so you can mitigate their rotations.

the rotation that the OP uses vs light armor/no con builds is great and all, but vs someone with at least 150 con and heavy armor, that rotation is useless and leaves too many holes open for them to counter after said rotation. I’m sure OP knows this which is why his video is mainly 50 con/light armor builds :stuck_out_tongue:

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yeah my friend use this as a tank with defiance stance and no one can kill him 1v1 due to him being able to not get combod by saving his leaping strike and being a tank

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I have a pretty gross build atm with s/s and GH but I still need to cap my gear out but my stats are

Empower
15% From Keenly Empowered (on shield)
30% Swords Heavy Attack
5% Per Block (up to 3 stacks)

Enchanted
19% (sword/shield 9.5% each)

Vicious
11%

Keen
3% from sword itself, 3 from shield (not sure of base crit on weapons stack too but if so :slight_smile: )
5% From 50 dex
10% From S/S Skill Tree
11% Sword Perk
11% Hammer Perk
11% Ring Perk
11% Shield Perk

and my sword now does more damage, Burst/DPS than my GH, even with 300 str. Which is why I think if your s/s is out, you don’t (maybe) get the off-hand stacks when s/s is currently equip. Now since I’m GH, I have trench rend for my heavy swings applying the rend, then sundering shockwave, Swap to s/s and just go to town.

Someone posted an 8k back hit on a test dummy, I’m doing same if not, way more after rends are applied, with 0 rogue perks.

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Just some suggestion: I’m pretty sure keen with sword doesnt stack with shield although tests we’re inconsistent. Also labels from weapons / keen / vicious only apply to that type of weapon (outside of Shield).

Furthermore the base crit chance is closer to 10%-20% than 3% (i think this base increases by level). Enchanted stacks on both SnS so ur good to go :). With your build have you tried running armor breaker? Thats a 20% rend right there.

Also about the rotation comment I always do the full one as there is rarely any downside. Reverse stab makes my leaping strike have only another 1-2 sec cd after the combo making it available to use very fast. You still have dodges and can deal with a heavy boy. My second video (last clip) is fighting a non heavy armor GA/WH and you see me still doing the full combo regardless although obviously not full killing him.

The reason i didn’t put many clips of me fighting heavy folks is that these clips can get rather long and boring with all the pots being popped etc…

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Yeah being a med GA/WH this is rough match up. As the shield makes it hard to stay close due to how quick the shield bash is and the leap strike is hard to react to and can used to get out of grav well.

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Cap rend is 30%, and I get that with the same amount of effort, 2 hits. it’s either shockwave/armor breaker, (which isn’t a CC/that’s why I don’t use it) or heavy attack then shockwave or shockwave/heavy if you want them both(if shockwave lands). same thing basically, just different playstyles. which leaves me with a flatten/wrecking ball, that has a perk that pens even more armor, but being a CC whereas they are laying down, it nets me more utility in both PvP and PvE. I can kite with wrecking ball, I can’t with armor breaker. so it’s just a matter of playstyle.

I know :slight_smile: that was my point, the rotation is cool don’t get me wrong, but vs every armor class, I like my set-up better. Same burst, but more CC, same rending, just extra CC with wrecking ball.

Leaping strike is nasty, but I mainly try to use it from the rear, as it nets me an 8 second snare, and with both malachite and passives from the skill tree, I’m getting a total of 25% bonus damage to snared targets. then add my other empowers and keenly empowered and I’m getting almost an OP amount of damage coming from s/s.

VS good PvPers, they don’t let you land a 2 or 3 hit combo outside the leaping strike combo. So I usually hold off on busting a full combo and play it a little more smart when going up against med/heavy. I will wait until they deplete their stamina first, then go ham, that way they can’t dodge and are forced to eat it.

VS players with combos themselves, or roots, I try to bait their combo first, then unload 1 at a time, as it makes the fight smoother and capable of x,y,z.

Dope video though.
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It stacks for sure. I just don’t think your off hand stacks with s/s. so if your hammer has keen and vicious or w/e on it, and your sword/shield does too, you’re not seeing the values from the hammer, yet you do from the sword and shield. Swapping to hammer and doing more hits to test crits, I see many non crit hits… It’s odd, and I wish the devs would post what stacks and what doesn’t… I don’t think vicious stacks… I tested that with bow and w/e weapon for the offhand. and I took the offhand off, and didn’t see any difference to my crit damage. it’s odd… but uhhh, I’m not 100% sure…

All I know is when I have crit or enchanted on both weapon and shield, I can tell the difference in crit chance and obviously the damage. I love enchanted, and it’s sad people want vicious over enchanted. Enchanted is all around better for your damage output, crit and non crits. BUT if they do stack and it’s bugged, I’m gtg regardless :stuck_out_tongue:

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Offhand weapon perks do not stack with each other they are only active in the current active weapon.

So vicious on the hammer only works with the hammer. Same with other perks. Sword is different as it has a shield and both of those perks work when the sword is out. After a lot of testing with keen in both shield and weapon (over 1000hits on the dummy) mu conclusion is that they do not stack although I had a lot of mixed results even in such a high sample size. Crit chance sometimes randomly donesnt work for some reason.

Also I prefer vicious just because it works on abilities over just working on light/heavy attacks but this is play style dependant both is good.

Just wanted to clear this out. Might be in handy for u.

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Just tested now, and keen stacks with all 3 weapons (When s/s is out). Shield, Hammer and sword. Enchanted stacks with all 3, and vicious works with s/s. having vicious on the hammer def works when sword is out. having additional vicious didn’t change my damage.

Also with how I play, I close on targets with s/s light/heavy attacks, so enchanted is the goto for me.

But yeah, vicious on the off hand works with s/s. 100%

it’s tough to test because you have to take account of attributes and perks for said attributes but I have sets of gear for testing purposes. I was missing 29 STR when I tested and still because of vicious, I did more damage on my crits than having said +29 str.

Keen is more of an RnG feature which is meh but it’s always made sense. You can “Feel” keen working but at times, you could just get unlucky and not crit 8 times in a row with the stacking of keen values. I mean, I tested 500 swings with full keen stacks and I crit around 40% of the swings… I tested another 500 swings and saw around 60% with the same gear. so the RnG is… well, RnG :stuck_out_tongue:

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Are you able to record and post a short clip about enchanted/vicious affecting other weapon? I’m very sure it doesn’t work like that (or it shouldn’t anyway).

I am also unable to replicate that.

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when I can… the person I was testing with logged. and I trust his effectiveness to not lie about what he sees on his end He also streams for me in my disc :stuck_out_tongue: . but yeah I could in due time. I’m 100% sure vicious on the off hand works while you use s/s.

As far as the value of vicious being exactly 11%? I dunno.(wish s&s equip no off hand weapon) with the basic 1 light swing, I went from doing 719 to 800 something crits (vs heavy)… Which is slightly more than 11%?.. I kept it simple and didn’t get any empowers or my target having some hidden fortitude going on. I tried it once with JUST the sword/no shield… Then again with a shield, then once again without the shield, then once more with the shield, same damage on both over and over and over. (s/s did the same as when I re-equip s/s & same damage without shield every time) Then I added in a janky 2h hammer with just vicious on it. 11% vicious… and one without any perks that modify damage values… 1 hammer with vicious, 1 hammer with nothing aside from 28 STR so I could get static values on my damage. Swapped back to s/s and I gained close to 12% more damage on my crits.

Also while testing this, I did notice they haven’t fixed this yet
bugged
I noticed I had 2.2k physical armor while swapping my weapons around, then once I got back into my inventory, I had 1.9k :frowning: maaaaan

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You are gonna need a more consistent perk such as viscous or enchanted to do testing

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did you read? I got all 3 damage type perks tested :stuck_out_tongue: keen, vicious, and enchanted. they all stack except vicious, but having vicious in your off-hand works for your other weapon.

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Here is my test:

https://streamable.com/mjwwwl

Neither enchanted,rogue or vicious works on the main weapon if you have it on the offhand weapon. These perks never worked like that. Maybe it is keenly empower proccing which you didn’t account for which is the culprit for your testing results.

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nope, keenly empowered has a buff icon and a re-proc timer, which I always waited for it to end.
unless there are some hidden bugs that aren’t visible to me.

Also do you know if they changed Rogue to additive or multiplicative? because it seemed as if you did more damage with vicious considering your other hammer had rogue for stacks. if vicious is multiplicative, that’d be why.

Also with diminishing returns on stats that exceed 100, 8 more str doesn’t yield but just a couple more base damage. I’d suggest testing your swings before swapping a little more to find your static values, then swap to a different one, and to make it easier or concrete, use a weapon with = attribute distribution as the weapon it’s replacing for more of a solid result.

When I did mine, I made sure I found my static point, then worked from there, as there are sometimes variables on your hits. but you will see a repeating number, that is your static number.

I’ll make a video in due time. but I’ll be using a player instead. not sure if that matters or not but who knows.

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It does, but the trapped player has to wait a sec before they use it.

Sometimes I root myself in the ice shower on purpose and just block with my shield knowing that they’re going to spam skills at me and then surprise them with leaping strike. It’s highly effective.

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8 more str does yield just like 20ish more damage (or even less). The vicious one did more damage because the hammer has 8 more str thats all. If vicious or enchanted worked we would see a 8-11% difference in damage but it does not. Also at the end i did the damage with no hammer and the damage difference is only from the missing STR.

It has never worked like that (in me testing random stuff last 3 months) and there is no video or anyone testing that confirms it working (except you). Even morrolanTV which does exclusive testing never found that to be the case.

Perks from non active weapon DO NOT affect the active weapon.

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yep you’re right… I remember using path of destiny to regain HP cause he was testing stuff too on me… Aftershock was applied XD

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Only agains light amor, I am a healer and many ppl hit my this combo y only got dow 50% HP xD so useless build

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Name one combination that kills heavy healer 1v1? Yeah there’s none.

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How do weapon tree looks like ?