Just tested now, and keen stacks with all 3 weapons (When s/s is out). Shield, Hammer and sword. Enchanted stacks with all 3, and vicious works with s/s. having vicious on the hammer def works when sword is out. having additional vicious didn’t change my damage.
Also with how I play, I close on targets with s/s light/heavy attacks, so enchanted is the goto for me.
But yeah, vicious on the off hand works with s/s. 100%
it’s tough to test because you have to take account of attributes and perks for said attributes but I have sets of gear for testing purposes. I was missing 29 STR when I tested and still because of vicious, I did more damage on my crits than having said +29 str.
Keen is more of an RnG feature which is meh but it’s always made sense. You can “Feel” keen working but at times, you could just get unlucky and not crit 8 times in a row with the stacking of keen values. I mean, I tested 500 swings with full keen stacks and I crit around 40% of the swings… I tested another 500 swings and saw around 60% with the same gear. so the RnG is… well, RnG
Are you able to record and post a short clip about enchanted/vicious affecting other weapon? I’m very sure it doesn’t work like that (or it shouldn’t anyway).
when I can… the person I was testing with logged. and I trust his effectiveness to not lie about what he sees on his end He also streams for me in my disc . but yeah I could in due time. I’m 100% sure vicious on the off hand works while you use s/s.
As far as the value of vicious being exactly 11%? I dunno.(wish s&s equip no off hand weapon) with the basic 1 light swing, I went from doing 719 to 800 something crits (vs heavy)… Which is slightly more than 11%?.. I kept it simple and didn’t get any empowers or my target having some hidden fortitude going on. I tried it once with JUST the sword/no shield… Then again with a shield, then once again without the shield, then once more with the shield, same damage on both over and over and over. (s/s did the same as when I re-equip s/s & same damage without shield every time) Then I added in a janky 2h hammer with just vicious on it. 11% vicious… and one without any perks that modify damage values… 1 hammer with vicious, 1 hammer with nothing aside from 28 STR so I could get static values on my damage. Swapped back to s/s and I gained close to 12% more damage on my crits.
Also while testing this, I did notice they haven’t fixed this yet
I noticed I had 2.2k physical armor while swapping my weapons around, then once I got back into my inventory, I had 1.9k maaaaan
did you read? I got all 3 damage type perks tested keen, vicious, and enchanted. they all stack except vicious, but having vicious in your off-hand works for your other weapon.
Neither enchanted,rogue or vicious works on the main weapon if you have it on the offhand weapon. These perks never worked like that. Maybe it is keenly empower proccing which you didn’t account for which is the culprit for your testing results.
nope, keenly empowered has a buff icon and a re-proc timer, which I always waited for it to end.
unless there are some hidden bugs that aren’t visible to me.
Also do you know if they changed Rogue to additive or multiplicative? because it seemed as if you did more damage with vicious considering your other hammer had rogue for stacks. if vicious is multiplicative, that’d be why.
Also with diminishing returns on stats that exceed 100, 8 more str doesn’t yield but just a couple more base damage. I’d suggest testing your swings before swapping a little more to find your static values, then swap to a different one, and to make it easier or concrete, use a weapon with = attribute distribution as the weapon it’s replacing for more of a solid result.
When I did mine, I made sure I found my static point, then worked from there, as there are sometimes variables on your hits. but you will see a repeating number, that is your static number.
I’ll make a video in due time. but I’ll be using a player instead. not sure if that matters or not but who knows.
It does, but the trapped player has to wait a sec before they use it.
Sometimes I root myself in the ice shower on purpose and just block with my shield knowing that they’re going to spam skills at me and then surprise them with leaping strike. It’s highly effective.
8 more str does yield just like 20ish more damage (or even less). The vicious one did more damage because the hammer has 8 more str thats all. If vicious or enchanted worked we would see a 8-11% difference in damage but it does not. Also at the end i did the damage with no hammer and the damage difference is only from the missing STR.
It has never worked like that (in me testing random stuff last 3 months) and there is no video or anyone testing that confirms it working (except you). Even morrolanTV which does exclusive testing never found that to be the case.
Perks from non active weapon DO NOT affect the active weapon.
I’ve been using this with much success in dungeons, open world PVE and even OPR. Keen Vicious Keen Empowered shields are so cheap at Trading Post right now. I bought mine for 3000 coins. My build is with Great Axe offhand. Easy chase with both charge and leaping strike, full damage build Swordmaster tree line and some major protection from defender trees (10% physical 10% elemental). It just owns and you can escape like rapier players. I pair it with primordial edge.
maaaaan