Thank you Devs, and QUIT COMPLAINING, PEOPLE!

“I’m having a great time so you have to have a great time too”

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Nobody cares.

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tl;dr?

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Writing bad code, fixing it poorly, and then doing nothing about it for several days after the flood of reports came in about all the issues? Ok then…

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As an actual programmer with a couple game credits, but by no means an expert, I do feel compelled to separate out “general bickering” with “bad design”.

Bugs happen. However, there are several bugs that have happened that DO NOT happen on well-maintained and QAed live products. Notably, the no-gold-if-offline bug and the timed effects not disappearing bugs that cause building up exploits in a wide variety of situations. These are “guaranteed repro” bugs, in that they happen ALWAYS and thus can pretty trivially be noticed and addressed if tested properly.

Edge case bugs happen, and cannot be eliminated. You can’t test the impact of 50,000+ unpredictable users doing random things. Entropy causes issues.

Guaranteed reproduceable bugs are caught by competent teams. They deserve to be hammered for them. This is Amazon. If a bunch of people didn’t get goods delivered, they’d fix that. Here, it’s sort of an “eh, whatever” apathetic approach. If it’s not ready, don’t release it. Yes, it’s not just Amazon, and is industry-wide to an extent, but the fundamental nature of some of these bugs is ugly. There’s a reason player numbers dropped so fast.

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To be fair, one of the most repetitive whines for the past day have been posts like this. Just on the first page of this forum alone there is:
This one
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Are you a dev? I don’t thinks so
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I’ve been playing games for two decades and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more toxic community

Its clear there are moaners complaining about things that exist (the monsters, how dare they). And then there are the self-righteous. The enlightened. Those who feel that they are the only ones thinking what they think. Those that know that every forum needs a hero, and god-damn it they’re the ones that need to step up. Someone needs to right the ship. To point out to all the moaners what the “truth” is.

All hail Super-Forum-Person. The level-headed bastion of propriety and order, in a sea of vagabonds and sub-par intellects.

Thank you SuperForumPerson for saving me. I now understand what i need to do, what i need to think, how i need to express myself, and who i need to be. Cheers

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KEEP COMPLAINING and pointing out the broken crap that infests this game.

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I hope they don’t ban you with as little evidence as you have for your accusations.

Don’t talk about yourself like that! Have more self esteem.

I’m a software engineer. I can tell you I have no idea what their software stack looks like. What I can tell you is that there seems to be VERY little in the way of best practices being followed here with regard to unit and integration testing. They don’t even have a public test server up and running to allow their player base to help them uncover the bugs they don’t find in “QA” - they just release what looks good (this is why they keep calling them speculative fixes ffs). They also release knee-jerk changes, like blocking all forms of wealth exchange, without fully understanding the ramifications of those changes. They created a whole new way of duping gold by doing so!

This is why I don’t feel bad making the assertions I’m making here. No one is perfect, but this kind of stuff is over-the-top types of bad.

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another new alt dev account FGS

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A lot of the frustration I’ve heard stems from the many players who spent hours participating in testing & providing feedback only to be presented with a very buggy release.

BLAMING the development team though definitely needs to stop though. They’re told what to do & they do it. Even if they know better than the person directing them.

Awww you are trying so hard to be so cute. Well done. :wink:

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Something like this doesn’t resonate with the people who complain. Most customer service related issues are fixed by simply addressing the problem and solving it.

The most important thing is from AGS point is to not take anything personally and focus like a laser on every problem and issue and wipe them out. Small and large issues alike are important.

Even unrelated problems, redundant problems and issues that were already fixed should still be addressed (even if its just telling them, “been there done that…NEXT”) would do a great deal for positive feedback and progress.

Worked in the customer service industry for a long time. (everything from stores to dispatch to cable tech help to IT to QC). Most customers who have a problem…want it solved beyond everything else.

Loves Bezos hates the gaming public…Got it

You try to to convince us that this broken game of clown fiesta, bug carnaval and exploit championship is OK? It’s defenitly not. It’s more than month from the release and with every patch it gets only worse. Is that what you call “They’re doing what they can as quickly as they can”?

I spent 30 years as a software engineer - and you are making far too many assumptions to be a good software engineer.

I’m likely making way fewer assumptions than the actual developers of this product. I can give them a pass for the complicated set of circumstances that could lead to coin and item duplication, and a lack of foresight when it comes to all of the different code paths in play that interact with the underpinnings of the financial service API that they were attempting to block traffic to - there will always be edge cases depending on the framework and how it’s implemented. However, things like the weapon mastery exploits should be easily testable, especially when they can be very easily reproduced by the player base at large. If functionality boxed into the one segment of the stack isn’t testable, then the code is in a worse state than I would like to imagine.

Also, the lack of a public test server isn’t an assumption - it’s just not a thing that the user base has access to.

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You don’t have to be a cabinetmaker to say that the stool you are sitting on is uncomfortable and unstable.

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Coding and sit on a chair are 2 different things. For sit u Need ur body and ur brain and a bit of effort. To code a game you Need at least 4 years of school or some kind of degree and for SURE u Need to be skilled too. So stop saying or compare Devolping a game with normal stuff in Life.