The constitution attribute is not balanced

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When you have 200 constitution it feels like you can bully anyone that doesn’t. It doesn’t feel fair at all.

Part of the problem are the 150 and 200 constitution perks. These powerful constitution perks (-10% crit damage and +20% armor) are too accessible. It’s relatively easy to get ~300 main damage stat and 200 constitution. Consequently, you can have good damage AND be tanky (even in light armor). There is no trade off. Players should have to choose: be a tank or do damage. Not both.

I normally play with like 14 con in OPR and war. I rarely die. Since I rarely die I put all my points into my damage stats because I can, but it doesn’t make much sense to. I do like 1.7K damage when I go full glass cannon versus 1.4K with 200 con. However, my health goes from 7.5k to 12.5k and my durability is even higher because of the aforementioned perks.

Essentially, the game is significantly easier with 200 con and my damage is still within the same ballpark as my 14 con build. It doesn’t make any sense. The damage scaling is either too low or the constitution perks/scaling are too strong.

I would consider either increasing the requirements to activate these perks like (250 and 300 con) or reducing the bonuses to like -5% crit damage and +10% armor.

Alternatively, damage/healing stats (dex, intel, str, focus) could exponentially increase damage/healing with more than 300 points invested. This option is somewhat appealing because it could lead to more build diversity such as true “glass cannons” but it could probably create some really oppressive range builds.

You may even want to consider adding a new stat called fortitude (or something). In this scenario, constitution is used only to increase your health pool, and fortitude is for all the damage mitigation perks. So if you wanted to make a tank, you would have something like 200 constitution, 200 fortitude, and 100 strength. You would be durable, but your damage would be low.

Nevertheless, the constitution attribute is not balanced, and hopefully you’ll come up with a fair solution.

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To get 300/200 you need to have all your gear slots 600gs +having T5 food buff on (40). So easy its not.
In my opinion the constitution 150 and 200 are fine. They are essential for any melle/tank player. Also the 200 scale with your armor so its almost useless on light and only gain its full value on heavy which is where it should.

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It’s perfectly balanced. Dannki is correct here, the perks they give aren’t powerful enough to give any concern. Even on heavy armor, the 20% increase to armor is barely noticeable vs pure damage reduction.

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Lost me when you think 150 vs 200 con makes all the difference.

Being Light, no reason to do 200 con.
Being Medium, 200 con is a must if you want to take a beating.

No one but healers or tank ankers should be running Heavy.

150 v 200 is pretty balanced. That extra 50 could go into dex, foc, or int depending on the build/weapons and make just as much damage dif vs the defense gained on 200 con.

It’s all build dependent. Something you seem to struggle with.

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From my experience you can hold W on any low constitution player. They cannot really do anything to stop you. Despite investing in their main damage stat (I assume) their damage isn’t high enough to kill you. They hit you for like 15% of your health, but you hit them for 25% or more of their health. Additionally, since their damage is low in comparison to your effective health pool you can just disengage with iframes, food, and pots if it’s not going well. It really feels like you are bullying them.

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it’s basically 2 590 resil pieces for free so it kinda does

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Everyone should be running 150 con, that’s not an argument. But saying you have to run 200 or that 200 is in some way a hard meta isn’t true.

Keep in mind that OP has stated NO context. War is dif than OPR, which can be drastically dif than open worls PvP in terms of what you must have or what you can get away with.

0 validity to an argument if proper context isn’t given. OP is going around in a circle, attempting to seem like he’s onto some misbalanced.

Con is pretty well balanced and currently there is a lot of options, even 100 con for snipper builds.

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Who said anything about war?

So you see the problem with this right? Primary damage dealers shouldn’t be running 150 con, but you’re hurting yourself if you aren’t because damage stats past 300 DR way too hard. I play 50con/400int mage. I’ve tried 150 con and it’s boring.

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Who is you primary damage dealers?

Again context.

If your FS/IG or Musket, you can get away with 100 con, given you have the right build and play/position correctly.

300/200 split is mainly for melee builds, not ranged.

Also, no matter the damage your build “should” do, there will always be specific weapons that simply output more than others.

This game is balanced around WARs, which is 50v50. Each server may have slightly different war meta, but in the end your build is meant to play into the overall comp.

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I was talking about how I feel the 150 and 200 constitution perks are overpowered. I never said you have to run 200 constitution.

Additionally, the bolded part in your comment highlights my point. Why is taking 150 mandatory? Because it’s by far the best attribute allocation option available. It shouldn’t be mandatory. There should be other viable builds.

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Anyone who enjoys doing max damage? But there’s low downside to running 150 con because it is op since you barely lose damage from 400 dmg stat.

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I’m talking from WAR perspective and some OPR.

If you don’t know how to play light and have the right optimized build, 150-200 con is safer than cannon 100 con builds.

Your basically arguing that you can’t play without 150/200 con, where you can. This argument really only holds to melee, which guess what, you can’t really escape as you cant just simply range targets.

Dex and Int both have very acceptable 100 con builds with a variety of weapons.

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Musket, Void Gaunt, Rapier, Spear, all benefit from secondary stats and depending on how you build may only OP for 250 max in main stat.

Not sure where you and OP actually theory craft, but I would bounce off good players before making a post.

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I don’t war so opr

100 con builds aren’t cannon, lol, 5 con is.

Nope, i’m just saying the upside to trading HP for damage past 300 dmg stat isn’t good enough.

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ik how the game works XD, I have 830 hours

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Only one I redlyhave issues is ATM is 300 str giving grit I feel that should be 300 con.

Maybe bump Armoe up to 250 so they got to choose between 300 or armor bonus

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I normally play with like 14 con in OPR and war. I rarely die. Maybe once per match in OPR. I died twice in a war today. Since I rarely die I put all my points into my damage stats because I can, but it doesn’t make much sense to. I do like 1.7K damage when I go full glass cannon versus 1.4K with 200 con. However, my health goes from 7.5k to 12.5k and my durability is even higher because of the aforementioned perks.

Essentially, the game is significantly easier with 200 con and my damage is still within the same ballpark as my 14 con build. It doesn’t make any sense. The damage scaling is either too low or the constitution perks/scaling are too strong.

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exactly this

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5 or 50 con? … I don’t even know how we can have a discussion, if that’s your baseline.

W/E, bring an actual argument.

If you want to push past 300, use a double stat weapon. Musket, Spear, Rapier, Void Gaunt

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The definition of “glass cannon” is max damage no defensive. What is hard to understand about it? I play 50 con because it’s the closest I can get as glass while still having any buffer at all, and the potion perk is worth it. I need 50 con as a mage to survive reaps. If I had 5 con I would die all the time in melee range. Musket can do 5 con true glass builds more because of their range capability. Mage range is medium to melee range.