People saying it’s easy to avoid / dodge don’t realize their is 15-20 VG + in war and combined with IG shower or wall you can’t dodge them all and just get zoned out of their 15 orbs ? VG needs to get nerfed there is no doubt about it. Increase Rapier CD and take stam out. Anyone who play vs 5 premade in opr who plays mostly IG/VG know it’s impossible to dodge them all they will catch you and melt you
You’re right the weapon is too OP as it is, it was suppose to be a high skill ceiling weapon. Not a “spam to survive” weapon that every newbie uses very effectively.
I suggest the riposte duration is decrease from 1 sec to 0.6 sec , and hitting riposte decreases this ability cooldown (rewarding good players). Also on top of this increase riposte cooldown from 12 to 16 secs.
Due to the medium armor + evade being OP, i also agree removing the stamina reward is reasonable to balance this overall, i supose increasing the damage somehow to make up for the stamina nerf would be also ok.
1 Like
Cancel animation is coming … no nerf at all should be done before, everything will change and will require a way better real fight analysis.
Regarding war, well yes it can be an issue but everything has a counter anyway and unfortunately, I might be hate for this, but war does not concern a lot of people, sadly…
Balancing weapon for 20vs20, 40vs40, 1v1 is basically impossible right, the situations are completely different? I mean there is no solution.
1 Like
The solution is to nerf these op weapons , they are clearly outperforming everything.
Nerf void gaunlet, nerf rapier, nerf ice gaunlet
Strength needs to be the king in close range fight, not the void gaunlet or other not strength weapon
1 Like
Rapier is fine as is, if you are left click spamming you deserve to be riposte’d.
It can be iframed/dodged if you are doing jabs 1-left click followed by a dodge or you can bait the player to use riposte. The rapier isn’t designed for a player to be stationary and trade blows with other melee weapons.
I well placed scream from a VG usually results in a dead rapier player since mobility is literally shutdown.
A rapier player in light would be hard to catch due to the ability to be able to roll and gain distance, but in medium they have a higher chance to be caught. If you are melee and chasing a rapier player in light armour i’m sorry but you’re being kited and a fool if you die. Usally the answer to this is a hit scan weapon such as a musket.
As for the VG its meant to be a support weapon and shouldn’t be doing that much damage, but if you are silly enough to sit in its circle and think you can trade blows with the blade then your chances of winning is slim. The VG will need to re-tuned appropriately either removing the amount of rend it generates or reducing its healing ability.
As of this patch riposte and flenche doesn’t seem to execute when recieving multiple blows from various directions, were hitting either of these abilities has put it on CD and nothing happens.
Nerf IG? Lol you must be mad. It’s a CC weapon. Sorry you got CC’d.
1 Like
This issue has appeared in almost every weapon discussion on this forum.
Early on musket users were making noises about adding block or bayonets to make it more melee friendly. Yet that’s a large part of the reason for having a second weapon.
It doesn’t seem to be a conscious bias for most. Yet largely every group believes one set of armor, one set of attributes, one set of weapon skills should be able to survive just about anything. That’s never been true in any mmo in recent memory.
2 Likes
qualquier inutil es immortal con rapier que cojones dices, jugadires malisimos con qualquier arma de repente usan rapier y pueden escapar de 10 players sin morir que logica tiene eso?
Y si eres bueno con el rapier aparte de escapar de giras y puedes matar perfectamente otro player por q para poder alcanzarte se a tenido q gastar practicamente todas las skills esquivas un buen player de rapier ademas de poder escapar sin ninguna dificultad de gira y te rebienta , ningun sentido
yo uso rapier y me rio del 90% de players. FIN
A rapier player should never use riposte against a VG user until they are rooted. If they do, they deserve to die for making such a huge error. Rapier has a counter for literally everything, it’s what makes it such a powerful weapon, you dont need to spec into proper attributes or anything to make it work, you can pair it with literally anything because of how powerful the CD’s are.
Yes thats in some circumstances, in OPR and Wars a VG player could come from any direction. Decent or co-ordinated players will know not to spam left click once a rapier player is rooted because their instant reaction would be to reposte while in root, also if a rapier player is aware of his surroundings they will be able to riposte the scream instead to avoid the root.
Riposte requires a second condition to activate along with prediction on what the opponent is going to do next, its not hard just don’t spam left click. To many times when i see someone just left clicking, I also give them time to see me swapping to the rapier but still continues to left click hoping that they get a magical big crit to kill me.
If riposte doesn’t get triggered they are pretty much dead because stuns such as hammers can interupt fleach and evade is a short iframe which requires you to hit something in order to reduce its CD and when you have GA/WHs in your face i don’t think they would want to trade blows with them if they wanted to in order to have evade off CD.
It is a powerful ability but it requires prediction and timing to use and can be used offensively or defensively, compared to other weapons one cannot just pick up a rapier and be good at it over night you need to practice with it and learn it.
Hey I don’t think you know that but riposte get triggered by ranged attacks as well, I can stop attacking the player but what can I do about a stray ranged attack, why should I get stunned for a ranged player attacking a rapier user.
The CD needs to be longer on the full grace tree of Rapier.
The VG needs overall nerf in terms of damage and cc.
Yes thats the ranged players fault for triggering the riposte, and if you are the unlucky one thats in melee range then you should be blaming the ranged player for activating it, they too can control their left click spam. It isn’t just GA’s left click spamming in a 20/20 or 40/40, this also goes for ranged players (LS/FS/IG) just looking at name plates and spamming mindlessly into the mosh pit hoping to hit something.
Also if you are hitting a rapier player at max range with a melee weapon the chances of getting hit by riposte is slim as it has a short range , the spear is effective at this. If you are just holding down W and left clicking then again the chances of getting riposted is high.
1 Like
Nope riposte cannot and should not provide both stun and I frames, either remove the stun or remove the I frames.
You mean Nerf Bow,
Nerf bow?? Gtfo bow has been nerfed to the ground already and it is slow and you get rooted after every shot.
Sure now the cd are nerfed on rapier hard…and still the duration on evade 1sec and repose 1.5sec.
This almost worked, but then they added this weird attack queue system that cancels half my abilities when I swap weapons.
Working as intended, im sure…
This topic was automatically closed 30 days after the last reply. New replies are no longer allowed.