It’s a game that was built for hardcore PVP, last minute changed to PVE, that satisfies neither.
As a hardcore PVP’r. They don’t really make games for us… I hope someday a great game just makes a PVP server… PVErs can have the rest. It worked in Asheron’s Call Darktide just fine. Then both win.
Agreed. Why even add PvE, when the combat balance is focused around PvP.
Every single combat change that affects the way your character interacts with the environment/other players is related to PvP, even the removal of stagger.
The only combat balance change related to PvE was when they overtuned the health and damage of some elites, which was a bug.
Unfortunately, it all just screams poor management decisions at the top.
MO2 the best we got atm. maybe star citizen someday lul
Star Citizen… lol. Coming 2052!
lol thats optimistic
too bad its kinda mainstream and the carebears will cry until they soften it up to a point where its not worth playing anyway.
Since when is Zork an MMORPG?
Carebears are here, get used to it. Crying like B over a game that will NEVER be what you want is stupid. Go play MO/MO2 and go. No one gives an AF.
Oh YES YOU ARE! Your still butthurt that NW isnt the full-loot toxic PVP paradise you wanted it to be and you are not gonna let anyone forget it. Better idea! Go make your OWN thread to discuss the type of game play YOU want and have fun with the 5 posts it will generate. Your HERE because you are angry at PVEers “changing” your game stupidly failing to realize that the type of gameplay you want is simply NOT popular enough. TOO BAD! Those are the breaks! Tough Luck. Shall I go on? Players dont change a games direction. The prospect of MONEY does. Also research and trends do.
Get over it BBoy, stop your whining in a PVE thread and go get a life. YStop being a total loser and go play MO where you can wear your gear on “special occasions”! LMAO! 
PS: Also I might add the reason I even started this thread for PVERs to access IF we should be here in NW. See the title? have reading comp skills? Your telling us to go like many PVPers have. Didnt I say that in the original post? Your not too bright are you?
No he clearly isnt… also i just muted him… these forums really do need some mods…
Also being here since day 1 of dev/alpha build. Right now imo we could wait? and see what happens. I think if we can guide the devs to a “Fair” point for all and give them the feedback they need (and their half of actually going though with whats been giving to them) we could end up with a game that both like… Though imo reality i see this game going more towards PVE…
As a pvp player that enjoyed the pve content while leveling, the game needs unlocked expeditions without keys and they need a large scale raid before their first paid DLC content.
If they force you to pay for a DLC to unlock the game’s first raid, I wouldn’t play here as a pve player anymore. Other games have multiple raid options attached to it’s base game and don’t have half the grind this game has with much more meat on their bones. You get to max, gather your pre-bis and then start raiding/pvping in those games. But here? Get to 60, now you run chests/gyp till 580, then you run dungeons to get your full bis (waste keys if you run before 580-600 and waste even more if your jewels were at 500gs at start of the expertise revamp).
I 2nd this %100
I’m going to have to mute him too, apparently, this guy is a troll and several others have put him on mute. He’s here in a thread for PVEers trying to convince them that Full loot pvp is what the game “should” be and to lambast PVEers in a thread discussing PVE!. Make it make sense? That child is nuts.
I agree with waiting to see what happens. At this point I have invested alot into my character and want to give the Devs a shot at how things land. I also enjoy casual pvp (OPRs) a bit and I know there are some needed improvements there.
yea it was fine before when gear didnt need to be such high watermark to make you super effective. You could get your 580 weapon quests done and feel good, so you could work on chests/pvp with crafted gear till you get watermark up. They needed to gatekeep the expeditions so crafters could work on something and players could make good decisions on if they should run an expeditions.
But now? with expertise gain nerfed across the board and attached to expeditions, you need them unlocked with how grindy the chests are.
Oh for sure!
Yeah he’s just a child and cant grow up… funny enough he was pushing (like you said for FULL HC PVP" but then he used the past tense of “was” its like well yah NO shiet WAS and theres good reason WHY the devs changed it to PVX more so PVE imo…smh some people just dont learn
To back up what a lot have already said. i found lower levels in a pve experience was enjoyable. not till high levels did it get unrewarding. higher level crafting mechanics, along with lvl 60 gearscore grind just turned me off from the game.
on top of that the dungeons were not that fun. that said i never did last 2 dungeons, but heard they weren’t much better. healing mechanics, and in general mechanics is good for pvp, its chaotic and dumb.
I heard that too. But I never ran them because I heard it was better to wait for 600 gs to get your bis items.
The key system and gearscore hurts this game more than it’s intended to help it. Why have a weapon mastery or lvl 60 leveling experience when the same time to do that it will take you to get to 580-600?
For $40 it is a decent game to level up on. But ESO had a better end game pve launch than this game; had similar “pve is poor endgame” feedback but they gave 2 raids in a few months after launch and had a very cool pvp system with good pvp mechanics. Everyone had something before December of that year.
Why should we do this decision now?
Well, iam going to play this game over the next six month. After that i can think again.
That is fair to say.
Zork was a multiplayer game? I don’t remember that. I thought it was a text based game that made small children go outside and play with other kids because they didn’t want to be so board anymore.