I think there are tons of people that would like to fight in wars, but don’t even sign up because they know they will not get in. I agree with most of what you posted. Don’t let my jab at mega companies distract you.
My guess, is in 2 or 3 months you will have new posts about how the same 10 companies are always owning the territory. However, that is better than the 3 or 4 we have now. I was just mostly replying to this:
I’ve only skimmed this but one of your point is assuming that one company will take multiple territories. This new company war cooldown was specifically made to prevent this, 1 territory for 1 company.
If i’m not mistaken, 10% dec sniping has been altered already.
Contributions count for much less if you are not involved in the last “push”.
IE company 1 pushes 10% and stops. This contribution will be weighted far less than company Z who pushed the last 10%. I believe it was altered to make it more important to push to completion, and not just stop at 10%.
As far as less wars overall, i think this actually just opens up opportunities for lesser known companies that have bodies to get competetive. If they know they aren’t going to have to face the tippy top of the server every time, they will probably be a lot more willing to even go for it.
In this way, i think there will be a lot more involvement, The big dogs can keep punching the big dogs. And the smaller dogs can fight for their slice of pizza.
Instead of right now, the same 50-100 just eat everything with no real limit.
But that’s just my take on the changes overall.
I do agree it is a step in the right direction, it is also a good acknowledgement of the super company problem by AGS.
I actually thought exactly the same as you when I first saw these change. The more I thought about it the more I realized this will make the problem worse. How many smaller homeless, less skilled companies do you know that actually have 50+ active players that are going to continually attack territories even though they don’t own one? There just isn’t the raw company and player numbers to sustain this.
My solution achieves everything they are trying to achieve in a much better way.
Also why are the big dogs going to attack each other if they can only have one territory? What is the benefit of taking Everfall if you have to give up Windsward? This change will result in the same 11 companies owning all the territories with no one ever attacking anything because the incentive to try to upgrade or swap territories just doesn’t make sense.
I guess maybe orofena is different.
We have a lot of war companies, but Ego’d ate everything. There would be a lot more ownership from other factions if that was not the case. We have the bodies, but no one can stand up to Ego’d shelling and mercing every war for green.
This will help our situation extremely well, but for other servers that may not be the case i guess.
Man, I’m sorry I’m going to go off on a little tangent.
But…
There is an element of this that sometimes you’re just not good enough or you haven’t put enough effort in. I’m by no means an all-star war fighter–at my peak I could hold my own and was regularly top 3 in OPR–but far from impressive in wars. I knew in the most competitive wars, I was not good enough to get slotted. I knew that in the best speed running mutator groups I was not good enough to get slotted.
I accepted it. Because it’s the nature of the game in the most competitively/challenging content there is. Whether it should be accepted is a different question–but that is the current nature of the community and no whinging about it on these forums will change it.
What drove me bonkers, as someone who has managed rosters/pushes, are the people that would outright whine/moan about not getting slotted while putting in little to no effort.
I mean we are talking about people that would regularly sit at the bottom of OPR scoreboards and when they did get slotted would be bottom of the scoreboard (and gapped from everyone else) and actively gloat about how I’m probably the worst player here hehe.
These are the people that god bless their participation in territory pushes–are the bulk of the people that you are talking about not getting slotted. They don’t put in the effort, they don’t put in the research, they don’t put themselves out there to learn. They just walk up to the war-board click sign up and expect something to happen. That’s not how the world works, and these companies that pour thousands of hours into pushes/build synergy aren’t going to give up slots to people that just wanna play the game. Nor should we expect them to.
I was a huge fan of any less important territory/war getting new people involved, to cut the nerves and let them learn what it’s all about; to be apart of the team–especially if they were regularly territory pushing. But those are people that are putting in 100x more effort than the “I pushed once, but I never get slotted” types.
There are four types of people in this game.
Solo people/small group people that if they are lucky will meet the right set of people and get an opportunity to play in wars.
Active participants, people that seek out companies and actively participate in push/war calls. Get involved in OPR/arena nights.
Volunteers, these are the meat of any company, these are the people volunteering their time to organize/lead pushes/wars, get people involved help people with their builds. This is a TINY percentage of the player base and the most important people.
And then you have the founder group who are the people that have the balls to put themselves out there and just keep building and recruiting until they have the right mix of people/personality.
The last two sets of people are the people that have earned the right to have slots regardless of their skill level–because they put in the work. Even then, often times these players are smart enough to stand aside for a better shot to win a war. Everyone else–it’s skill and commitment and if you don’t want to have that level of commitment–well unfortunately you don’t get slotted. There’s just nothing else to say.
While i think what you are saying is true, it doesn’t consider that right now you are looking at fighting the big 50 on your server in almost every war. Whether they merced, or company swapped to get there.
So that list of people who will get selected, knowing they are going to face 25 or more of the big 2 on the server gets extremely thin.
If you aren’t part of the big 50, you are in the 50 to 100 others that are considered good enough to face the big 50.
For all other cases, if your company wants to fight for a territory you are going to face those 100 people, one way or the other right now. These changes limit the capacity to spread those people that thin. So it is much more likely that lesser established (not top 100) companies are going to take territories and fight for them. While the top still keep everfall and WW most likely.
This will, in my opinion allow for more people to get their feet into territory ownership. That otherwise don’t stand a chance. I think it’s more than fair, as right now the system unilaterally allows 100 people to own the entire cookie jar. (IE pay us 60% of your income or we take it and sell it to the highest bidder)
Yes, but right now you have folks that are good enough, but don’t even bother signing up anymore because they are not “elite”.
I don’t think the intentions of AGS were to have territory control turn into esports with the map being the scoreboard.
Well you see just becose you can winn all teritorys its not mean you supose to do it, so yhen you say it will be less wars you are wrong it will be same wars but diferent companys will have chance
At this stage you’ll face the best 50ish of two combined factions. But it doesn’t mean as an attacker you don’t have an opportunity to be apart of an attack by getting involved.
This in only true if you can’t be apart of an attacking company. The attacking company has say and while multidecing is still possible—it’s not full proof.
I agree with you 100% on the problem at hand, it is a big problem that the same 50 players can dominate 5,000 other players on a server. I also agree with you on the skill level part. The idea that John the casual who plays a few hours a week on weekends and doesn’t have close to BIS PVP gear or skill is going to have fun or be able to meaningfully participate in wars is just not a reality.
My point is that this change is going to make less wars for everybody as a whole. What I predict is going to happen is the top 600 or so players will form 10-11 companies and take all the territories. From there the map will completely stagnant and there will be barely any wars because the incentive to do the massive influence grind when you already own territory is just not there. There is also the chance that a company trying to upgrade pushes the influence only to have their window matched last second in which case they can’t even attack without losing their own territory, this is the can’t fill your roster scenario I mentioned where you just grinded influence for no reason.
Maybe there are some servers where there will be 10+ other homeless companies that will be willing to do the grind, but that is not a reality on my server or many other servers.
Yep, i get it now. That will indeed be an issue. Sorry, on my 1st cup of coffee.
Maybe you have more experiences that point to this being true. But all of the genuinely top end players I’ve ever played alongside are looking for good PVP not dominance. They want good fights.
There’s always toxic elements and memers, but I think not all servers will run into the issue your prescribing. Any of the competitive companies I’ve been around actively move servers and active seek out more competition. Hence months ago you had a lot of people server swapping and trying to create “top PvP” servers.
What remains in those remaining servers is where you get the toxicity and the memers. One group remains, takes over, and there isn’t enough organization throughout the server to true counter the remainder.
I admit the new changes aren’t perfect but they are definitely a step in the right direction.
Obviously this isn’t the solution to fix the war issue.
But they know that there is a problem and they are trying to find a solution.
There shouldn’t be an attitude to earn your way on to wars. This is elitist.
Everyone should be able to try out wars. And since official release this hasn’t been able to happen.
Wars are the most in demand PvP content and they are gated right now because there are only a handful max per day.
The system sucks and it needs changes, the new system is an improvement. But it isn’t a solution.
I have moved to these servers almost every time. I have never seen the top companies pushing influence on a consistent basis. The whole post is saying that people want good wars not territory conflict, so any solution that creates less wars is bad.
I think its to early to make any accurate preditions on the overall impact of the war changes, but influence pushing has needed to be reworked (or atleast reduced) for a lot time now. If it was something 50 poeple could finish in 30 minutes, same as a war, you would see a lot more wars regardless of how the overall war changes work out
For that mater invasion also need some changes. No reason there should be a “dead day” after the invasion shows up but before signups happen. Making invasions a 1 day event instead of 2 days adds more wars. Though given the signup discrepancy between invasions and wars ags needs to take a serious look at having them be equally often.
Afaik you must do 10% and all 10% plus contributors have an equal chance. Been like this forever and never seen a dev post to imply that will ever change.
Non pvpers and non mega company pvpers want stability and to break the power grip of a few players controlling servers. We dont care about how many wars happen.