We need small weapon balance patches every 7 or 14 days

[renifur2]

We all know current state of PVP, and balance patches are big, and are like every 2 months. We need small nerfs/buffs every week or two, until pvp will be in good state. If something is broken in pvp we cant wait 2months, we need small balance patch every 7 or 14 days.

[Vermeil]

Highly Agree. Tired of waiting for a long time for it to be patched, by the time people waiting 2 months for it to be fixed, they leave the game fed up and never returning.

[BRADLEY]

Totally agree.

@BRADLEY

In general, I’d definitely love to see MORE FREQUENT and LESS HEAVYHANDED balance changes to avoid these massive swings in the meta that we currently have.

Committing to a set build with the way balance patches are applied at the moment feels really risky as you never know if your favorite weapons are going to be fine next patch or completely gutted in a heartbeat. This really needs to change, so that the game feels like it’s in a healthy state more often than not, atleast combat wise.

Balancing the game simply needs to be an ongoing process with smaller, biweekly balance patches at minimun to be MORE REACTIVE and adress big issues quickly. Waiting months for massive combat related issues to be fixed is just not a good experience for anybody playing on a day to day basis.

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Most of us love the game and want it to improve. But we also don’t have infinite amounts of patience. I’m sure we’re all aware that balance patches can not be done over night, but the way it is currently done is simply way too slow. And I really hope we can change this in the future.

[dpkoq]

This would be great. Battle Royale games like fortnite did it like that back then. They would introduce a crazy op weapon (like the GS) and then would adjust it based on players feedback in the following weeks until it had its perfect place in the meta. I think new world should do it like that aswell instead of letting lots of players quit the game because its becoming unfun

[Kippp]

I know we try to make this a competitive PvP, but it really isn’t and I don’t think AGS even wants it to be.

Additionally, what would they balance around? The forum complaints? There is no balanced game mode in new world. Most fights in the game are unfair. There is no skill based match making, team composition are usual unbalanced and gear gaps are common. Since there is no balance to begin with, the data they are collecting about weapons is contaminated and it’s usefulness is questionable.

Moreover, when they nerf over-performing weapons, like dex range and the GS, the game is going to be pretty bad. It’s going to be mostly healers and bruisers. The combat is going to be mostly aoe clump fights with AoE healing. It’s not going to be fun. I’m not going to play it. AGS would have to rework a lot of weapons to make combat enjoyable, at least large scale combat (small scale combat is pretty fun). Reworking a lot of the weapons/core PvP mechanics probably won’t be worth the effort for AGS.

If they are not going to fully rework the game into a competitive PvP game then they probably should just let things be overpowered.

[Nourri]

This is not a practical request. You’d be lucky to get monthly.

[renifur2]

Well its simple what opinion balance could be based on. Add system to weekly vote, only for players 610GS+ or X pvp track. To vote, you would have to be online 5h during last week. There should be system which shows devs your main pvp weapon in last month, and overall number hours you played, by analyzing this data, and numbers of votes, devs would make decision.

[halfik]

@renifur2

7 or 14 days.

Or at least 1 balance patch per month. Its crazy we have to wait 2-3+ months for stupid bug fixes, weapon tunning down and crap like that. From other hand junior dev team they have there for monthly patches is scarry as f… - they blow up half of the game each time they do touch anything.

[Gray-Wolf]

1 Bug fix & balance patch every 4 weeks and the ocasional hot fix patch in between for urgent bug/exploit/balance issues.

This would be ideal but will never happen, so… forget about it.

[SlayerofWaifus]

I don’t disagree that balance passes should be more common, but good lord they need to be better. Musket literally does not feel any different post nerf(?) and greatsword’s crosscut nerf left everyone confused as shit as it was probably the least problematic ability in the entire kit.

At this point I’d rather them just buff and nerf random shit since whatever data they use is obviously screwed whatever the combat exploit of the week is. At least the meta wouldn’t go as stale…

[Vermeil]

Bump bc we need this, this game’s PvP is so unique and damn fun. AGS hire a group thats focus only on PvP to do these kind of balances. dont u guys have the funds… right??? right…

[Myrn]

sorry we only have 2 devs around here to fix 2 hundreds of broken stuff

[shawnmurphy13]

Incremental and iterative development has 2 weeks as an industry standard for gathering feedback and adjusting a software product.

Doesn’t necessarily mean they’d release every increment but adjusting values wouldn’t be a big ask.

This really isn’t asking too much for a live service.

[danielnz00]

@Kay please forward this through, updates need to come more often

[vulpix13]

I agree, that balance updates need to be at least monthly. This game needs a constant healthy shifting meta.

[VanquisheR]

Total agree they can find correct scale with small nerfs and buffs every week

[MrSky]

Rather Problem is game’s engine, not that they cant fix something… it just takes them a lot of time to fix/change anything… To OP yea small balance changes instead big patches after 3-6 months will be much better… Pls rework musket, nerf bows, nerf ME perk hard!!

[asharma1]

bump

[teddrick]

Agree with you 100%, accidentally let my topic get closed. Thanks for highlighting this yet again!

@teddrick

Something drastic needs to be done about the state of PVP balance in the game.

Lets be honest, very few players spend time in the PTR testing PVP changes (and for good reason, ex: devs don’t seem to listen to much PTR feedback/bugs anyways, its annoying to run missions to declare and setup wars, lack of similar gear to what people are using in live, etc etc)

So what I’d propose is that the AGS devs give PVP balance team (dave + co) priority access to the weekly patch process. And start implementing small pvp balance tweaks every other week (or even every week). Instead of making massive changes like boosting or cutting a weapons damage or abilities 50%, make small 10-20% tweaks on a more frequent basis and see how players respond in LIVE server environments (OPRs, 3v3s, and wars). There will be a ton more data and statistics that the dev team can collect with doing this on LIVE servers, and hopefully they can react even quicker as a result. Understand there could be some risk with swinging meta around, altho if you make smaller incremental tweaks hopefully that will be lessened. But even if big swings were to happen every other week, I’d gladly take that versus the stale broken metas and pvp balance we’ve had the last 6 months in this game.

TL/DR: I think the playerbase does understand that achieving balance with this kind of classless system is difficult considering the number of weapons and allowed combinations, but we just need the devs to do these tweaks much faster than they have been the last 6mo.