You got triggered by “Dungeon finder”. Please take the time to read, what people are really asking for! Thanks!
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My Point of view:
- Game population decrease:
Happens in each MMO. - You can’t play alts on the same server:
I see that point, but this game has no classes like WOW. It is more like FFXIV you can do all on 1 character, - Low/Mid level areas population decrease (consequence of 1 and 2)
Well point 1 is a given, again happens in each MMO.
Point 2, population has nothing to do with alts as the same player can play 1 char at a given time.
Combined those 2 points: This game is designed to be played on 1 character, same concept as FFXIV and going back to lower areas to farm stuff and do other activities is designed within the game you just need to make used of it. - Difficulty to find people to play lower level dungeons:
Could depend per server, on my server a lot players do low and high dungeons even lvl 40+ players farm low lvl dungeons all the time on my server. If that is a issue on the OP’s server maybe joining a Guild-faction would help as in all other MMO’s, that works most of the time.
Conclusion:
Do we need Dungeon Finder to make it easier to access content, could be but the points that the OP has listed have nothing to do with maybe having a dungeon finder system (Cross-server/worlds).
What would help is to merge servers to have a bigger players-base per server.
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Well as it might appear not really “Social” you miss the point here.
On a general chat everyone see it, and everyone can talk to everyone with a simple clic/wisp.
What does it bring ? Well it bring the fact that a player can see a “LFG or LFM” for something that he wasn’t supposed to go for or to do.
And this is social.
If you bring a dungeon finder you just kill every social aspect of an mmo because now people will just do “what they want” and wont have any possibility to do something “they didnt planned”.
Therefore “writing LFG” in a chat isn’t particullary a social behavior.
But the fact that you can find something that you didn’t planned for IS social.
Good luck to do something you didn’t planned for with a “dungeon finder”…
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Moreover, if you don’t find people in chat where everyone in your server can read, do you really expect to find people waiting in a tavern doing nothing but waiting for other people to show up to do a dungeon?
If there is no big community on your server, make one. Talk to people, help people out if you can, organize stuff inside and outside game. Or wait for transfer and go to a higher pop.
This reply is absolutely perfect. 10/10 picture of my chat constantly. Chat spam is overwhelming to me, Im not that old but the modern scrolling chat too fast to read is very jarring to me and it just means I mute everything I can. Thats an antisocial tactic because of trolls but also the redundant repeat messages by the same people looking for a group. The classic wow style of shout over your head looking for body might be well regarded in memories of people but its so anti personal. Its not a social benefit at all. A group POSTING section would be more helpful than a scrolling chat.
A message board where you can list your own group and fill your own group like the modern LFG wow has rather than an automatic pairing system if people are not ok with the radical auto LFG system. Take the 50v50 sign up UI and make it a 5 man screen where you open a UI or go to the dungeon itself and then see these boards where people are forming groups. The argument other people are making that when I am a lvl 10 seeing messages forming for a lvl 60 dungeon clearly out of my reach now is not a social benefit. Its clutter.
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Why on Earth are you implying I’m suggesting a WoW-like solution? Where did you read this from?
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People that don’t want a dungeon finder:
“This is social interaction”
Me: Being a market shouter “Fish for 2$ today” or being a recruitment chat “LF Tank Dynasty” is not social interaction. Me writing them “I’m heal LVL 60” is also questionable social interaction.
This has nothing todo with social interaction in an mmorpg. This is just forcing me to have recruitment and global chat active all the time. Which often enough leads to missing stuff in my fraction and company chat, where real social interaction might happen.
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short answer yes. Long answer I love running dungeons and will most likely do any dungeon with you (LVL 60 heal with high enough GS to run even lvl 60 dungeons), but recruitment and global chat are so bombarded with messages that I keep them muted.
With a one click dungeon finder, I would help lower level players way more often. Best would be that they add a mentor like system, where I should get gold or something.
There are not few people telling about their displeasure about the chat-spamming, there are even more who feel the same, but don’t post about it.
Just like there are people who think LFG is more than enough but dont come to the forums to tell you about it.
Generally the people who want to complain about something are the people who hang out here on the forums. The people who enjoy the game have no reason to come here. At least we agree on what type of Dungeon finder would be best if they did decide to put one in.
Most vocal people on forums (specially reddit) are the ones who want no improvements on the game because “this is not wow” and consider every suggestion as a click-to-win, even when it concerns QoL changes. I wonder how many people quit the game even before Amrine because of how terrible the current state of the game is to form dungeon groups, specially low/mid level.
Most vocal people on forums (specially reddit) are the ones who want no improvements on the game because “this is not wow” and consider every suggestion as a click-to-win, even when it concerns QoL changes.
I highly doubt that is true. Just by glancing over the forum posts now there are a lot of suggestions taken straight from World of Warcraft (and similar MMOs). Mounts, Dungeon Finder, Minimap, Damage meter etc. And these are posts that pop up on a daily basis. I am not saying that World of Warcraft is all bad. There are surely things that NW could adopt, no need to reinvent the wheel but the WoW things that get suggested on a daily basis are mostly trivial additions that would not help the game in its current state. Some of them also seem to come from that some players are so used to mechanic X from WoW that they need it here too because they are out of their comfort zone.
A very common issue with these posts is also that most of them are not very detailed. Most mount-posts can be summed up with “I want mounts” and that’s it. How would they function? Any limitations? Without details the reader needs to make assumptions about what OP means and that usually means comparing it to one of the most popular MMO’s out there that also use mounts. WoW-style mounts wouldnt work in this game because it’s clearly been designed not ot have them. It’s even included in the games lore. That’s not what this thread is about though but you get what I mean.
The vast majority of people who come here or to reddit are there to complain about something. The people who are happy with the game are busy playing the game for the most part. They have no reason to come here other than to leave actual constructive feedback which seems to be very rare.
The developers can take these suggestions into consideration but right now there are huge and gamebreaking issues that they must deal with in pretty much every aspect of the game. They have issues transferring one character from one server to the next and now people want them to setup an automated system to match players cross-server together on-the-fly. It’s just not doable at this time.
Resort to LFG for now. It’s not hard unless you are on one of the few low-pop servers out there.
No.
I disagree to some extent; I think we can definitely live without an automated group finder (Ie. WoW Dungeon Finder) but a Looking for Group System clone would streamline group creation while allowing leads to manage communication.
Forming groups is immensely painful going the legacy route and really does nothing other than make the group leader (and likely the one burning an orb) spend even more time spamming for it with little to no help inbetween.
The social interaction would be unchanged other than I as a lead won’t have to spam recruitment / area / or even global if it’s early enough in the morning. All the interesting social interaction either happens in the group chat or nothing at all as others (including myself) just want to burn the content.
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“The people who are happy with the game are busy playing the game for the most part. They have no reason to come here other than to leave actual constructive feedback which seems to be very rare.”
Why are you unhappy?
But in front of the dungeon, without some fitting framework, it is supposed to work perfectly??? Why?
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And how would the people, who like chat-spamming loose anything, if there were another system for the people who don’t like the chat-spamming??
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Because you don’t have to be in front of the dungeon to use recruitment, faction or general chat and I’m advocating for not adding any sort of same server or cross server dungeon finder.
Organize in chat, join a community in discord if there’s one for your server/clan and go about doing your stuff in game or outside until there’s people available to help you out!
I get you don’t like chat or spam, but out of 600 peeps active in a server I can imagine only a small fraction would be interested in running instanced pve content once they’ve done it for their story quest. There is no incentive or mentoring system so you are at the mercy of the goodwill of other people that may help you run the dungeon without any real advantage.
There is such people out there, as you could read from the healer above in the thread, but you will never find it out if you don’t interact (in chat or otherwise)
that is exactly the problem, we describe, you just drown in the chat, because it’s just to much. The idea of tavern group boards has a merit. you go there, look for a group, and if you don’t find one, you run a round around the settlement, gathering, empty your inventory, go back in the tavern and look again. I know, many players get ptsd, if you mention dungeon finder, but making it easier to find players from other settlements for grouping up and running dungeons could help social interaction. And again, don’t forget the rpg in mmorpg, implementing things, that promote roleplay is a good thing. And there is no roleplay in the chat right now, just a big flood of faceless abbreviations!
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I get that you have the same reaction to the chat as you say others have to “dungeon finder”, and I find you idea to be valid in an RP setting. This is not a RP game, it’s barely even an MMO which was much closer to a survival pvp game in its intent. The collaborative aspects are mashed together and the chat interface is also quite messy and allows for little customizing. Character development and customization is severely limited, lore is spread around in little pieces that you can’t read right away because monsters attack you.
Thing is, you are asking for a quality of life feature with RP accents, which is not in line with the theme of the game. I don’t think it should be added, word back to AGS now
Many people made more friends using the Group Finder system in Wow than they ever would have spamming chat or walking around the world anonymously messaging people, it’s not ‘easy mode’ or ‘antisocial’ it’s just convenient… a bit like the internet we are making use of now to socialize? 
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