I give up, no players?
I have no interest in arguing with you. Your opinion matters, and so does mine. I shared mine. 
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I promise you that you will spend many, many beautiful hours on this game and then one day …
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I would much rather them provide some form of transparency on what the new patch includes. Otherwise they waste time on stuff that no one wants (reactive potions is a prime example). They do this stuff in a vacuum, it’s completely against what the community wants, players leave, and then they continue repeating the same mistakes over and over.
At this point, they might as well throw marketing out the window. New players aren’t clamoring to this game. What they need to do is focus on retaining/bringing back players. Not some marketing gimmick like BS was, which resulted in going from 140k players → 22k players in under 3 months.
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this is completely unrelated. PTR is for testing things and giving feedback, reflexive potions were on the ptr and werent liked so they were removed (for now anyway). And PTR patch notes usually include almost all changes made
??? because of that marketing the population skyrocketed lmao. When the marketing stopped and hype died down population dropped. Is this your first mmo or something? content gets released → population goes up → hype dies down → population goes down → content gets released and so on…
PTR is for testing and feedback, absolutely. But what you’re missing is going through the effort, time, and development on features that no one is asking for. That’s wasted time and effort.
The purpose of BAs/POs is to take ownership of the product, and therefore find out what people want. Not making a bunch of changes in a vacuum, and hoping that’s what the customer wants.
And my point stands. 140k players → 22k players in under 3 months. Look at any game, and you’ll see nothing near that low of a retention. My point stands, marketing isn’t what this game needs until it’s in a playable state.
Communication, frequency of updates, speed of updates, state of territory ownership system, state of war cooldown system, state of open world content, lack of PvP updates/balancing, etc etc etc
you seriously want them to ask for every single little feature? Lmao its their game and THEY are supposed to give ideas. Also things like reflexive potions probably took them a day to implement its just potions that use themselves when your health reaches a certain amount… there wasnt even an animation for it
cant look at any other game as every other mmo hides their player numbers on purpose 
yea clearly what it needs is being kept in a vacuum so no one knows about it lets just remove marketing… wait what? 
Im not here to speculate about development time of a feature. 1 day, 1 week, or whatever it doesnt matter. Its wasted effort.
Of course not every feature. If they want to add new dungeons, add events, etc, that doesnt hurt the player experience. But a patch that could have a significant impact on game play i would expect some transparency.
In one of their latest videos, they specifically talked about nerfing light armor. Thats a huge problem, and this is the transparency they need to provide. Otherwise one of two things happens:
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They rollback changes and it delays the patch significantly longer.
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They continue with the changes, and more people leave.
And in regards to player numbers. You can look at steamcharts. Games such as POE and FF have a much better retention rate (and more players now).
I dont see how you can continue to defend them marketing the game, when it can hardly retain 10% of the player base since brimstone. They need to get PvP into a solid state, add end game for PvE thats different than running the same mutation 25 times in a week, and add some QOL features. Then absolutely id agree with marketing the game. But as is, its going to be a repeat of brimstone.
except its not because everything they add is a learning experience and next time they make a similar feature they can do it faster…
and you get EXACTLY that?? remember when they wanted to add split stat bonuses back in july? it was announced in a dev video, then on the ptr, then it was rolled back after feedback
rolling back changes makes an update come faster if anything lol. less things in a major patch means less work
why do u ppl act like such entitled brats on this game? are you like this irl too? GRRR something didnt go my way QUIT QUIT QUIT. No one cares if you quit just do it
im not sure where you see the retention lol, both of those games are currently going down on steamcharts. dead games!!! everyone will be gone soon!
I dont think you understand how player numbers even work, steam charts shows concurrent player numbers only. New world has at least 300k active players. dead game! Even if we go ahead and use your misleading math then new world has almost 20% of the population from brimstone when there hasnt been any big content drops in 3 months thats amazing retention
omfg as if theyre not doing that dude why do u people act like you have some insanely good suggestions when your suggestions are 1:1 to what the devs are already doing
Omg for new world to be good they need to add gear set storage… oh wait theyre already doing that in 1 or 2 months 
Most of the issues are endgame loop issues. So as a new player, you won’t notice them. Feel free to ignore most of these doom threads and enjoy the game. The game is beautiful and your first playthrough will likely be very enjoyable.
Once you get into endgame however, meaning you’ve hit max level, gotten your gearscore to 600, and begin your journey to BiS 625… you’ll notice some endgame loop issues. Mostly:
-You need to grind a lot of dungeon mutations to get umbral shards, they’re used to upgrade your gear to 625. As you grind dungeons, you’ll find that the loot sucks from dungeons, so you’re essentially just mutation grinding for shards mostly.
If you’re a PvP player, you’ll be forced to grind dungeons for umbral shards if you want to gear up multiple sets of armors & weapons. This is because the game is very stingy about giving umbral shards via PvP.
-There are no raids in the game yet, and no “endgame legendary quests” that get you 625 BiS gear. If you’re a PvE player, you’ll find that your options are limited to grinding dungeon mutations (with bad rewards), doing world tours/chest runs (with rng rewards), and gathering/crafting. Due to a lack of cross-server queues, it can be difficult to put a group together for dungeons due to the way mutation systems work. So expect to wait a long time looking for a tank or healer.
-If you’re a PvP player, your PvP options are the 3v3 arena, Outpost Rush (OPR), and Wars.
The 3v3 arena is badly balanced, as there’s no rated/ranked arena, no MMR, no matchmaking, no cross-server play. So you’re likely solo queuing into premades with a healer, which they become frustrating to play against unless you’re also queuing with a healer. Oh and while your gearscore gets artificially bumped to 600 in the arena, gear is not equalized. People with 625 BiS gear and know how to press buttons will stomp you.
OPR is equally as unbalanced, there’s no matchmaking so the game could stack multiple premades on one team while you get spawn camped with a bunch of random solo queuers. You would also understand the meaning of bowpr, as OPR could often turn into a ranged dex crapfest full of bows & muskets sniping you from render range that you can barely see. You could still have some good games in opr however, but they’re rare.
50v50 Wars is the current endgame for PvP. As a new player, your options are limited. You can try getting into a company that likely will get farmed in wars, because there’s no way you’ll get into established companies holding the big territories. They’ll pretend to enjoy wars until they get farmed 5x in a row then find it difficult to get members willing to push for more territory. Hours of pve influence push just to get farmed for 30 mins isn’t fun at all. It’s def not what pvp players had in mind for endgame pvp content. It won’t be long before the company you join stops pushing for wars, as it won’t have enough active members left to even try, and likely will disband.
If you somehow get yourself into the war scene, you’ll find that it’s full of drama & politics. Plus there’s a serious lack of competitive wars being played right now, most are just farm wars or companies dodging each other. Which means PvP endgame currently is extremely boring.
-BiS gear, best in slot gear is from crafting. You essentially gamble your money away trying to get BiS gear. Some have success but most end up going broke. They either quit the game or turn to RMT to swipe for more chances. BiS gear are hard to craft, and are extremely expensive to purchase off the market. So unless you’re willing to swipe, you’ll be waiting a long time to try and catch up to established War players with BiS gear. I will be surprised if any new players even reach BiS in the current game without swiping.
-PvP weapon balancing has been a hot issue since probably 6 months ago, maybe longer. AGS acknowledged these issues 4+ months ago, and to this day, we still have not gotten the promised PvP balancing. A series of combat exploits plagued the game over the december holiday break, a lot of people have given up on the game since then.
-The 2023 roadmap they announced was disappointing. There was zero pvp content mentioned, 1 raid boss they’re working on which isn’t enough to satisfy the pve crowd, and more dungeons that will likely continue to give bad rewards. While they’ll be adding some good system upgrades, such as cross-server tech and gearsets, the game really needs more content like yesterday.
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Bottom line, the game lacks good endgame loop for both PvP & PvE. There’s not enough PvP options, and the PvE content lacks good rewards since BiS gear is gated behind a terrible crating system. Too much PvE is forced on PvP players who just want to pvp all day and be rewarded. Rewards as a whole just really sucks in this game atm both in PvE & PvP.
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I’m really not sure how you can continue to justify rework is a good thing, but ok?
They’ve rolled back multiple changes from PTR feedback, which I really appreciate. I’m saying game breaking changes they should be more transparent about - so they don’t go through the development hassle in the first place. It will allow them to put desirable content out faster. And reverting work is pure wrong on going out faster. Just because you revert a change, doesn’t mean you don’t need to to requalify everything.
Those games have retained a very similar number of players for at least the past six months. NW has not.
I have yet to see how they plan on getting PvP in a solid state. Please enlighten me. Because what has been announced (essentially nothing), is the complete opposite.
Storage sets, raids, end game content, etc, will hopefully be great. And if they are great, I think then it’s totally reasonable to start marketing the game. But making huge changes without transparency (in particular game breaking changes such), in a game with a declining player base is insane.
Poor communication with the community.
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Farming nodes, and optimization. Are my main issues.
QOL, and polish… Game still feels like pre-alpha interface… >.> All of it
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Smallscale & Open-World PvP is still not rewarding; really bad desync (getting close to Feb 2022 levels); bugs as always, everywhere; perk stagnation & diversification; poor combat direction (homing and hitscan still exist, 0 telegraphing for some forms of CC) and insufficient/sparse balancing.
New players acquisition/retention
New players / 60s can’t really participate in wars, they need to fix this for retention. Maybe practice wars with randoms, maybe bounty wars events that companies can only do once… they need something
Existing Players Retention
Same points about wars and bounty wars.
Wars IS the end game PVP content, people should be able to have at least 3 wars a week at the minimum
Pushing territories is tedious man, at the same time, if it is too easy maybe it would be bad, not a simple decision to make I feel.
Game Mechanics
- Stop overbuffing new weapons, it is getting old
- Stop making changes based on OPR, again the end game PVP content IS WAR, OPR has its own problem but should not dictacte end game PVP
Wow, this is a far more comprehensive reply to the OP than anyone could possibly have expected! Honestly blown away.
I would say the balancing issue and bias melee love in dungos was rough for a lot of people. Forced to only used melee due to dmg modifiers and a huge lack of pvp content.
People who expect nw to be perfect with 20 years of content built in at release think they didn’t get their $40 worth after playing thousands of hours and expect free content every month and devs to tell them how they appreciate their feedback.
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The game was released when it was by far not finished. This means that AGS had to spend thousands of hours patching it just to fix the hundreds of bugs of all kinds that were ruining players’ lives. Precious time that should have been used for its development…
Worse, during this period, AGS saw hundreds of thousands of players disappear, regretting their investment.
As a result, AGS has had to scramble to contain the remaining players and the current game is certainly not what it should have been in the first place. For example, I think Brimstone should have been released 6 months earlier. And if you look at the next updates, you don’t see anything great that would contribute to a new hype.
So what…
During the first months of their game, the AGS team had a real nightmare and it still shows in what they offer us today.
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