What if the reason the population is decreasing is because of bots

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It wouldn’t. It would drop the lesser gear score version of the BIS piece. Need to do level 15 to get the highest gear score version. Below is a chart of the gearscore drops you will get from the dungeon at different key levels.

The great vault side is the weekly chest gear score you will get. The weekly chest is like a bonus. Every Tuesday after server reset you get a box you open and can select a piece of gear. There is up to 9 choices you can select one piece. 3 choices from doing dungeons, 3 choices from doing raids, 3 choices from doing PVP. No matter how many choices you get you can take just one piece of loot though.

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Notice that you only get ilvl 262 from a +15 as an actual drop. That is like heroic raid level loot which is still very good. In the weekly chest you would get 278 which is Mythic raid level loot (best you can possibly get.)

There are also other things you can get too. Like they drop mounts in dungeons. Also for timing all the +15 dungeons (there are 9 of them) you get a special mount as a reward and an achievement.

It still takes time to get all the best gear but at least you feel rewarded for your time even if you don’t get something every single dungeon which would be silly because you can infinitely spam them.

I believe there is also something now where if you are not good enough to do a +15, and they aren’t really that hard if you have some skill, you can take the piece you have from say a lvl 5 and upgrade it… kind of like the umbral shards here. Im not entirely sure how that works because I stopped playing WoW for NW before that part came out.

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So that’s the difference then. Lol. Neat activity though.

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Whats the difference? That I can spam them in WoW and get useful loot vs here where I have to grind expertise for two months before I even have a chance at anything worthwhile. Then I can play only a few dungeons a week and usually get a bag full of garbage? That I can then roll up an alt and gear that one up even easier in WoW too where here its one character grind different weapons and armor again? That I can play 9 different dungeons in WoW versus 1 a week here. That I can also raid 4 different modes in WoW versus no raids here? That PVP rewards gear in WoW where it doesn’t here?

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No it’s not, I quit because the game only updates to become more grindy. I did not signed for that, already got a job thank you.

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You can get 600 GS items that are good from a non mutation.

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Not until you have grinded for two months first and then its only a small chance and not tradeable between players either. Also nothing else. Just junk. If that’s the only difference you see then you aren’t looking.

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Gypsum, increased rewards from expeditions, mutations, lowered Orb costs, idk what more you want.

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Still takes two months at least. Still limited on how many dungeons you can do a week. Still have only 1-2 different dungeons a week. Still complete RNG on non legendary loot. Still very low drop rates.

I want to play content and feel rewarded for my time.

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I started grinding expertise for maybe 3 weeks half heartedly before gypsum patch and got to an average of 530. Abandoned it to do other stuff. Gypsum released and without ever actually focusing on gypsum I got my jewelry to 580 a slot. This patch came out and I’ve run all my orbs, got ran for free in company and sold slots occasionally making 30k and doing hours of dungeons. I still have 1 mutation left.

Months? Grind for months? You must be salvaging your gypsum or something because I’m almost 600 expertise without even really trying to raise it. I just play the damn game.

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I can understand this. You’re only rewarded on e your expertise hits 600. Sadly.

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False.

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I started doing chest runs before the December patch. I do 3-4 gypsum a day. I also some days ran solo runs every couple hours when I had time to try and get more. I have run normal dungeons a few times and have done 5 mutations. My average expertise is still 566. I have 3 slots over the 590 mark. Don’t know what to tell you. Running chests is a complete crap shoot. Some people get expertise upgrades every chest. Some people get a few a day. Some of those few a day are on weapons that I don’t use.

I can only tell you what I have done and what I have gotten for what I have done. Your experience != everyones experience. I also just “play the damn game” and have focused on my expertise everyday for over two months.

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This is Silkroad Online all over again. The game was decent for its time. Very grindy, but it was fun nevertheless.

But the grind, and the massive amount of bots for RMT purposes and progression even for regular players because of the ridiculous grind killed the game. Not to mention, lack of support from the creators, a buggy mess in dungeons, getting disconnected, etc. A simple google search can shine some light on this. We’re talking about SRO here.

What I see happening in NW is deja vu, except with SRO it happened over a period of few years. Here, with NW, it’s happening in a matter of months.

Who the hell thought that increasing the grind and catering only to PvE would fix the game, while completely ignoring player’s pleas to fix bugs, de-syncs, lag, clunky as F*CK combat, and more that is wrong with the game?

One thing that drove me away, quite a bit actually, is copy and paste of structures, enemies, and environments. So much time was spent to design a pretty beautiful world, even though it’s small, and the copy and paste just ruins it. So much.

I think in the past people were more forgiving when it came to MMORPGs, but now because people have already lived through grinds and buggy messes, people are not so forgiving anymore. A recycled MMO package with the same bull$hit, no thank you.

Next please, learn from the past. Clearly, that hasn’t happened in NW.

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Oh, and bots are quitting botting this game because it’s not profitable anymore for the botters.

Here’s proof:

  1. 1k gold 4 usd

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I mean 10k gold is 4 usd

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I make 5 usd daily

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X 30 days

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150 usd

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No profit

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Electricity net bot acc price …

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Cant make money with nw

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Haha silkroad is the first MMO I played after switching from hardcore FPS games like Battlefield & Wolf ET.

I loved that game, the market system, the enchanting of weapons and SoSun legendary weapons that had nice looking auras which made them feel special. The bots at first wern’t to bad but they did what Amazon are doing with occasional ban waves. But for the most part they stopped taking action as the Bot numbers eventually made up a significant portion of the player numbers so they stopped banning them altogether. That killed the game.

Its very bad that they have announced farm bot accounts will just be blocked and not banned because they already have a way around the block… I dunno how much more of Amazons shenannigans I can take.

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I enjoyed SRO quite a bit. The game as a package, skills, environments, world bosses were very nice to look at. The caravan system was awesome as well. It was rewarding PvP.

If they remastered the game, included anti-bot mechanics, reduced the grind a bit, introduced new content, and more I would go back to it in a heart beat. It’s a nostalgic game to me. More so than WoW.

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How about no gate keeping at all?

Why not let players experience everything without artificial barriers?

So what if EVERYONE gets bis gear in a few months?

The game has the potential for a lot of build variation and perks combinations, let your client experiment to its heart content, and if they get bored at least they had FUN.

In trying to retain players AGS only managed to kill and anger their own player base.

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I don’t really know what to believe. The numbers I see on Steamcharts looks ridiculously low. It can’t be that bad.

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I sincerely doubt this. In fact most likely the bot population is increasing, while the actual player pop decreases. All due to the incompetence of the the ones in charge. So many player hostile decisions have been made, and they seem to stick to those decisions. But you know, it’s their game they can do with it what they want.

See the thing is this: you can NEVER force anyone to do something they dont want to do, unless you enslave them. Obviously enslavement is out of the question so AGS has no options left if they want to increase player pop: they gotta make something that people WANT to do, but they aint doing it, people are leaving. It’s like romance, you can’t force it. AGS did a great job seducing us initially, but then almost immediately after the marriage they started neglecting appreciation for us. In my honest opinion.

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Its that bad. The game is in a downward spiral due to bad decisions and poor coding. People see what the game really is… a contentless time gate grind fest with poor coding and performance. The only shining star is the graphics and sound. Gameplay always trumps graphics.