Why Are There NO Playable Female Characters?

when those of us are saying the characters aren’t female… we’re not just talking about the facial options, we’re talking about the whole package, faces, movements, stances and the clothing/armour.

it’s the same model as the male, exact same model, down to the movements. all they did was reskin it, there’s no distinction between the two, from movement to the various standing postions.

then we have the clothing, a good % of the pants have bulges in the front still, and or have codpieces… which sure they could be protective, but again add to making them look male. the fit is wrong for the shirts, jackets, and plate on most of them as well, because again… it’s the same model and extreme shortcuts were taken.

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I went into the game to check. You are correct, the “tooltip” display of base stats for all the “dress” armor types in the outfitting station displays the stats for the tier 2 “Linen Dress” rather than the correct ones-- these should all have the same stats as the “Shirt” items.

However, when the items are crafted – at least for a couple of dresses that I tested – they have the gear score, stats, and level requirements that you’d expect for the higher tier items.

I submitted a bug report about this.

if you had read further down they were corrected on their assumption, they were looking at different levels, that showed up at the same time for various pieces.

Well, sort of. They realized that the items seemed to be for different character levels when they compared the “dresses” with “shirt”-- but it is because the tooltip descriptions are incorrect on the dresses. “Imbued Silk Dress” to be worn by a level 5 character? I don’t think so. The dresses actually have the same stats as the same-tier shirt items when you craft them.

That said, it does show a certain lack of attention to detail for these dress items.

And that is why I submitted a bug report. Among other things, if crafters see these dresses as options for things to make and they appear to be a useless waste of resources, then they won’t make them for sale, and players that want the dresses won’t be able to find them to buy.

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I never said anything about how ugly the faces were… I just said that only a few look female… and some of the ugly faces are the ones that I say look female…

It’s up to you what is and what isn’t feminine… don’t think for a moment that I agree, or disagree.

The male faces are similar in that the choices arent all that great…

Personally, I love the old lady face… lol

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This is the reason that I’ve erred on the side of caution and not made any thread on “customization” myself … at all … in that it’s intricately difficult {apparently} to choose a way to express one’s self where talking of a group of people {all women} is separated from our own view of our gender (and of ourselves / self-image).

I’m not too fond of some of the wording-choices used in the thread [as I commented before on the title], yet I doubt that the goal is to directly discriminate against others {or, at least I’d hope not}.

– Unfortunately, I’m not sure there’s a good method of expression that won’t do so {offend someone} while properly showing dissatisfaction with the how characters currently are portrayed. I probably would have opted to not say anything for inability to come up with a satisfactory way, unless others had just done such.

Of course, I’m sure some would say “good” – to saying nothing. Yet then those feelings aren’t brought to light at all. Anyway, I partially agree that we’d be far better off if we could frame it better somehow.

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People asked for they/them, gender fluidity and body types instead of gender. I’m sorry to say but the blog posters and new reporters win this battle.

Ahh is that the 1 silk dress in the game that people talk about? I asked in another thread a while ago where I could get it and nobody seemed to know.

You have to make it I think…
Level your clothing making skill and weaving skills till you can make it.

These days it seems more and more impossible to say anything at all without someone somewhere either feeling insulted or excluded, even if what you are talking about has zero to do with them.

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I know what suggestions you are making, you have every right to make them, and I even agree that some of your points are well-taken-- though the desire for all those changes might not be as universal among women players as you seem to think.

But I stand by my position that the subject heading of this thread is dead wrong. There are playable female characters, they just aren’t female characters that look the way you want them to! Your heading for this thread is basically saying that real women who naturally have an appearance that isn’t feminine enough for you are somehow not really female. That’s a toxic attitude, and I was rather shocked when I first saw it.

Perhaps shock was your goal when you wrote it.

P.S. Have you checked out Swords of Legends? I enjoy that game also. A feature it has that you might like are universally lovely characters. The player characters, the NPCs, even some of the monsters are just beautiful, male and female alike. Sometimes I take a minute to just admire how good-looking my character is when I’m logging in. That is not something I indulge in with New World!

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It probably is. This dress: Silk Dress, New World Database | NewWorldFans.com

Definitely a female garment, and it looks like it would be pretty cute, especially if you get creative with dyes. There’s a different model for “imbued silk dress,” which looks interesting from the icon. But I didn’t bother making that one.

For what is worth, I didn’t see one single crafted dress on the trading post on my server this evening. Part of that may be the recent shenanigans with gold transfers and the server outage. But I also wonder if crafters are seeing the (incorrect) useless stats on those dresses and not bothering to make any?

Edit: here’s the bug report if anyone else wants to confirm it. Maybe that will help get it fixed faster. Tooltip in outfitting station shows incorrect base stats for "dress" armor types

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i can make the dress, but i haven’t bothered too, since i’m avoiding anything i can that could be a dupe or whatever… and i wouldn’t wear it on my toon myself since i prefer to be dps/tank/off-tank/heavy dps… and avoiding the healer woes like the plague. i just didn’t want to get talked into being a healer yet again lol(usually a cleric or a shammie for raiding when forced too). i like to hit things with big metal shiney pokey things.

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Yeah looks pretty cute, now if only they had added that transmog feature.

Please let us all know which of the faces you think don’t look like female faces, thus restricting the number of choices you see as valid, but that you nonetheless think would be attractive on a woman.

All those faces are women’s faces. And no, it’s not the “old lady face” that reminded me of my old Sunday School teacher. It’s the top row, third from the right if you must know. The toon doesn’t look that great, but the real woman it resembles was very elegant.

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I can put myself in the other person’s shoes, and I ”do” actually understand how everything said may make them feel sadly. The implications carried, which is why I usually filter what I say to some extent.

Every change being proposed here- of different poses, animations sequences, skeletons, or anything else {any addition at all} could be interpreted as implying something-wrong with their looks… It just gets very personal, when someone has a felt affinity with their character and feels that they’re an appropriate extension of theirself.

I mean, there’s analogies that friends have made in private to a specific Dreamworks Animated Movie … which I won’t directly name … or discuss, for obvious reasons. It’s “absolutely” offensive and inappropriate, probably shouldn’t be said – yet it is also legitimately “how they feel” playing as their character. > Despite being offensive, it doesn’t make their view wrong, as that’s how they genuinely feel.

– The problem is that one size fits all doesn’t really represent us (or any humans for that matter!). If any change is made, it should be to a generic customization system, and not a direct alteration, or replacement, of anything already in-place.

Even if you get past arguments over “looks”, there’s the other side where people are going to say that any changes to the models, with any impact to their hitbox / extents, yield some form of unfair advantage --in PVP–. ESPECIALLY after the official post on the server-authoritative nature of the game.

e.g: It’s funny to be told being short “is an advantage” {if only}, yet I’ve already had that chat with some friends. {heh} … Perhaps there can be tradeoffs between character reach, movement through water, and other aspects of the game, to counter the claims of “smaller hitbox = unfair”, etc.

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You keep assuming things…

I did not think that the old lady was like your Sunday school teacher.
I just made a statement that I like the old lady’s face.

Stop putting words into my mouth…
Stop trolling me.

I had to clip your post (sorry), but

  1. “Changes can be interpreted as wrong, implying something is wrong with their looks” (paraphrase) …

no, no, no. The character customization was very bad by most MMORPG standards from the onset. CHOICE IS GOOD. This is not real life, fyi, this is a game. Nobody is judging your pixel character as people may feel in real life. Just stop that broken logic/emotion.

  1. I hope this was a troll, but saying AGS defines looks… (of genders) and anything else should be “generic” changes… really? You can keep your specific current character looks… give others the chance to truly customize.

  2. technical aspects of hitboxes and combat… we have AGS to code it properly (they claim to be veterans)… so don’t worry about it.

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Not a troll attempt, I used the wrong wording choice apparently.

– By “generic”, I meant that we don’t move towards another single one-size-fits-all character concept, and instead look to resolve everything through choice, customization.

You don’t simply eliminate the current style of character and retain them {as some collection of settings in a new system}, while adding more options in creation. Let the player choose their pose, let them choose their voice, maybe sliders, and whatever else that entails.

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Cool yes, more unique customization. But, almost nobody is suggesting to tear your current character looks away from you.

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