Shit, more like back in the day 2000-2016
RIP Gaming. Every game I play that has online now has the toxic players just x9 reporting players they disagree with. Arguing can be toxic sure but at the end of the day nobody gets hurt. People get to vent.
But when you just ban people, those people can just get another account if it’s not IP bans. Which just mildy inconveniences the banned player, depending on what game they’re playing / how much it costs.
Now we have COD Vanguard, a WW2 game that has toggleable swatstikas. COD: WW2 didn’t even ship with them.
But it’s not the blowing people up limb from limb using bombs, it’s the symbol that sledgehammer games is afraid to offend ‘culturally’. It’s just so backwards to me now, sorry for venting to you about this. But game publishers gave these… Uh, people with loud voices and outcry, an inch, and they’re on their 17th mile by now.
Flagging? Another PvP option? Chat detection determines hostile or inappropriate language and flags them for PvP to be killed? As long as it’s on a public channel, such as global, area, help, etc., you know what, sure. Why not, then you have the option to still mute them.
Crap… eyes front door nervously, hearing the ominous, echoing sound of Mickey Mouse’s “haha”
Ah, or “Dick Van Dyke”.
Exactly
Who mentioned PVP?
What else do you flag for?
And ags says theres no autoban system and somehow ppl get mass reported and banned shortly after.
Makes you think
The shower guy?
You are being incredibly obtuse.
Do you think they mean flagged for PVP? 
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Ive had to do 4 name changes already and havent got banned. Sure it was the name?
You are attacking me by calling me that. Mass flagging is called for.
Would that be fair to you? Wouldn’t it be simpler for me to mute you and happily go about my day when you really meant no insult?
Now, for the cases where it truly is hostile, inappropriate, and using exceptionally foul language in public channels, sure. Flag em.
What is happening, in some cases, is a PM is being reported by people that it wasn’t even sent to, just to cause issues. Sometimes with obscure meanings that the people were baited into saying without knowing it was a slur.
What’s another word for saltines? Answer me, and potentially get banned.
SOME cases could, no doubt, need review, and possibly reduced to warning bans.
Though I do expect there are, at least, an equal number of legitimate perma bans in place as well.
As for the name change, I’ve had to change names in several games that had nothing close to offensive words just because someone reported me… I changed em and moved on. It’s whatever. Who am I to deny their fun walking around reporting everyone?
Seemed like a factual statement since no where did I mention PVP and the subject is about a name change.
If you feel I violated the CoC, please flag my post. 
Truly hostile, inappropriate and exceptionally foul is all subjective. You may have the bar set much higher, but that doesn’t mean everyone does.
This is why in game moderation isn’t decided by automatic bans and is reviewed by an objective person (AGS). Now this isn’t saying that AGS can’t make mistakes during their review process. They do, and an appeal process was created to solve this very issue.
If someone feels they were unjustly banned/force named changed then they should submit an appeal and allow another objective person to review the action and see if it should be upheld.
This whole ‘that isn’t appropriate’ while someone else feels it is annoying. Everyone has the right to use the flag system when they feel something violates the CoC.
By submitting an appeal it also probably helps AGS determine when flag abuse is being done which also should be punished if found.
I agree that on appeal the reporting people should be reviewed and punished if found to be abusing the system, at minimum for the duration the accused was punished for.
Chat filters do exist and have to be manually disabled. If disabled, you are saying you’re ok with those things existing in chat. That should, also, have some bearing on the reviews, reports, and appeals. We can only HOPE it does. If it doesn’t, they should consider that a “feature request”.
Did the reporting person have filters disabled? Well they are bypassing the protections put in place that would prevent them from seeing this type of communication in the first place, so the report has less weight.
On report, remind them the filter exists every time they report someone with filter disabled. Checks as to when the filter was disabled/enabled so that can’t be abused by just swapping to make reports.
Lots can be done to stem the ACTUAL abuse of that system, without harming the real intent of that system or it’s function.
As far as subjective, therein lies the problem on both ends. I’d imagine many of those report cases are very hard to judge. With different employees having differing opinions of what an is truly an infraction. How do you prove that the reporting players were truly offended. How do you prove they were not and it was just abuse of the system. No good solid answers. Such is the times we live in, and I don’t envy their job.
I do believe that the system, in place to protect players from being attacked, is, itself, being used to attack players. A very hard solve to those that must deal with it. Again, glad it’s not my job.
That policing shouldn’t be needed at the level it’s happening. It should not be Amazon’s responsibility and it shouldn’t fall back on them when they have provided tools to control it locally to each player. I have my own theories how to solve that on future games, but it’s too late to make use of them here. They have already taken it upon themselves.
Oh, and no, I won’t be reporting you. That would be abuse of the system since I know what those words mean and you had no intent to attack, or even offend, me. I still like the pvp idea, sounds funny. Start talking trash and get pvp flagged, even in towns, even to your own faction if that’s where it took place. Mmm chaos.
Just because options like chat filters, block and mute features exist doesn’t mean you shouldn’t flag. These features do not replace the report function, unless you can provide some sort of citation from Amazon that people should use one over the other.
I personally don’t report many if any people for what they say or names they use. I’m pretty sure the only thing I’ve reported in game has been spam bots selling gold.
However, I understand that some people are more sensitive than others and they might see things more offensive than others. No one should feel intimated to report something, and simply because you report doesn’t mean an action will occur.
But since we play this AGS game, Amazon reserves the right to determine what is a violation of what is subjective. If people don’t like the way that AGS conducts their reviews then people are free to play a different game that may be less strict?
I’m all for people posting constructive feedback to maybe change how they apply the policy.
Sadly from what I’ve seen many people want to go straight to insults calling people ‘snowflakes’ ‘karen’s’ ‘carebears’ because they reported something they found offensive.
I never said violations shouldn’t be reported. Especially on all public channels, it should be. Very much so.
My opinion, and of course that’s all I’m giving, in private, conditionally, less so. Reporting a word that was sent in private, but would have been blocked by the filter, means that person made a conscious choice to disable the filter that would have kept them from seeing it in the first place, thus allowing that word to exist on their screen. Report invalid. It would be case by case, and reviewed by a person to make that choice still, but… tools are there.
More people could use them rather than wasting time for amazon employees which likely see so many of those reports they don’t have time to think, let alone always make the correct choice. Increasing mistakes.
Of course, it is Amazon’s final judgement that matters in all things New World, it’s rules, and policies that matters. Just a discussion, they can take as feedback if they’d like.
I’ve seen those same “many people”. Many people should mind what they say in public. That’s pretty much true outside of the game as well. Everyone has their own story and a person can’t know them all. Also, can’t know the results of those stories and what may be commonly meant as harmless banter, could, truly, be deeply hurtful and upsetting. I know people on both sides, those nothing offends, and those many things offend. At no time am I suggesting anyone shouldn’t be hurt by, or offended by, the things that hurt or offend them. That’s them. I am saying the tools are there, and they could make use of them rather than overload an already overloaded system and perhaps even save themselves some hurt and offence in the process.
Rather enjoying the discussion with you for that matter.
Thank you for the time you’ve spent on it with me.
I don’t feel we disagree too much.
Curious does chat filter show partial message and just like replace words with say *s?
If it does then regardless of chat filter if you received a private message from someone saying **** you, ******* trash, etc I’d think people should still be supported in reporting regardless if you don’t know what was actually said.
Also, some people are fine seeing inappropriate words in general when they aren’t utilized in a hostile form. Obviously I’m using examples and with it’s subjective nature it’s hard to define things without proper context.
I guess I just have faith that Amazon will be able to see the context and violations in their review and make the appropriate choice.
But I appreciate the discussion as well .
We don’t.
Actually, I’m not sure. I disabled mine in beta and the setting has carried over since. May test to find out just for the sake of it. I’d agree. Report and mute is a fine action to use. Just actually USE the mute and don’t keep baiting with replies so you can report over and over again. That’s where it becomes abuse of the system, IMO.
Many won’t use those tools with the intent to attack others by using the reporting system. That’s where it enters grey areas that I feel sorry for Amazon having to deal with and have a difficult time deciding on. Intent is hard to determine by a 3rd or 4th party. I also feel sorry for anyone baited and trapped by those people and punished without the other side being punished as well. They did wrong, even baited, so punish, by all means, but include the one who was themselves instigating it intentionally using the reporting system to attack them.
Again, just my opinion.
I’m off for the night. Take care.
Yeah, the faith is the hard part for people. After all, they are only human.
As an update it does filter as you show. That’s unfortunate. I’ve long thought and suggested the entirety of the message should be blocked on a filter trigger and say something like, “This message is not displayed due to filter settings.”
I guess I will make that suggestion to AGS as well.
You should read the TERM AND CONDITIONS you accepted. Nothing is yours.