You tried to make Hard core players happier and the Game died

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You understand that most of the players that actually play mmo’s and buy all those fun cosmetic items are normal players that don’t have a voice in the community because they have real jobs and don’t stream for a living right?

So lets look at how New world has been designed to shun the casual player.

Watermark system … Do you like grind … and alot of it… Hey you know what lets make it even worse.

Lets make the watermark system really only worthy in zones where you really need to run around in a group of 10 to make it worthwhile and partiallly safe to get some of the chests.

But what you really need is elite chests which means you need to kill level 65 bosses or kill 65 corrupted portals… So yeah you need to raid most everynight… Don’t worry you will be getting crap gear for the next year at you casual rate a normal player might while all the people that grinded it are selling 550+ gs items for 100g if they don’t salvage most of it.

But wait we HAVE EXPIDETIONS. NAH… Yeah heres your free entry and then we are going to put you into something even worse to get another key…

Yeah I used to do quests like this in EQ one where a whole guild of 200 players would have to farm a key to get to the boss… SUCKS THEN SUCKS NOW… What the last real KEY quest I ever heard of in a game was maybe onyxia Key in old WOW… GET WITH THE TIMES.

Crafting… Yeah we really want this to be a guild experience where 10 people feed one guy all the stuff it really takes to level crafting … and then hes gonna make a ton of crap that gets salvaged and never used cause you know Epic materials only produce an item worth equiping…

OH so you enjoyed crafting and you did make that level 600 gear… WELL FU… Cause well Expertise go back to the watermark system you sucker.

Oh do you only have an hour or two to play… WElll Lucky for you its only a 30 min walk to the guy at the edge of the zone that will send you right back to the other end for to kill 5 wolves… WALKING is good for you health.

AZOTH… Oh what you aren’t level 60 yet and can farm it fast in OPR? OH you don’t wanna port cause it costs 500 cause you are a crafter and need it to make good things that might sell at cost to recoup alittle.

OH yeah sweet trick… if you Flag pvp you get more loot… but oh you aren’t 60 … and you can’t even buy your gear cause no water mark… Umm so prepare to get thrashed by all the people that just put more time into it… not skill… just time.

Remember reall MMo’s where first you would spend 4 hours 3 days a week and not beat the raid for a few weeks… To going to killing the whole thing in 2 hours in one night once you understand the fight… because learning and skill.

You listened to the hardcores… This is what it got you… a pretty damn dead game… you are trying to make it MORE grindy to statisfy the people that burned 400 hours on it in 2 months… I am over 600 btw and I might do engineering on space things irl as my other day job.

Watermark sucks… expertise sucks. Your endgame full raid no 5 man dungeon dailies suck.

GET RID of THE DUNGEON KEY SYSTEM SO CASUALS CAN FARM WM there … put a 3 day lock out SOMETHING…

I don’t know who you listened to on your design mentality for this game… but see how much they were wrong? Forced PVP GAMES DONT WoRK… ONLy HARD CORE GRIEFERS DO IT TO DESTROY CASUALS… THEN THEY QUIT AND YOU DONT HAVE A GAME ANYMORE.

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The issue was that if they wanted this they should have changed where the experience is. They opened a game with lots of playstyles and they’re slowly but surely eroding the flexibility of, and between, those playstyles. More and more it’s turning more into a typical MMORPG, losing the flairs that made it unique.

Expertise is being touted as some sort of relief from grinding, but I don’t buy it. It’s just farming specific drops, and forcing the playstyles together-- this is awkward because they weren’t forced together before. Isn’t this just woe to players who didn’t really care about crafting and are just being socked for it now all of a sudden? Isn’t this just encouraging everyone to power-grind now, nolife for a week to catch up to the nolifers, and sidestep this whole goddam thing like those players already will be (as they probably should be)? More importantly, is ‘more grind for the same reward’ really the right angle? Maybe we should have made crafting more useful in order to encourage diversity, or a first-time craft bonus. Maybe we should have added weapon specializations and used Gypsum for that instead of broadly applying it to the HWM grind. Maybe we should have tied the quest weapons in with this somehow. Maybe this whole thing is just a bad dream and we’ll wake up, Scoob.

It’s not like players magically won’t zerg after this. They’ll just zerg for gypsum. Does this really change anything? If it does shorten the HWM grind, how is it an answer to bypassing progress? If it extends it, how is it not just stretching the grind? If it breaks even, how is ‘grind another item’ the right approach here when they could attach it to a quest line with dynamic elements?

There’s just this ruthless heavy-handedness about the whole thing which makes it hard not to criticize. At least the novelty to casts themselves letting you get a bit more control isn’t bad, but I feel like they’re also shoe-horning the expertise thing in on top of it when they don’t need to.

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Well if thats the way they feel… I believe i have been used as an Amazon employee. So they owe me some back pay for being part of their quality control team. Being an engineer I do have a wonderfully hourly rate for such contracting purposes. Lets not get into the legal issues on tricking me into such a job I will just take my rate times hours played and get a nice check for my feedback.

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Here let me removed that entitled chip of your shoulder.

You are not entitled to anything.

You paid $40 or less for a game that was more than likely going to change (if you paid for cosmetic stuff that on you its a new game should have waited)

THIS IS NOT A SINGLE PLAYER RPG. OH my god you have to group with people to do some semi challanging content Oh the HORROR.

OH my god i have to work with others to clear harder portal to farm some expidition materials.

This is an mmopg you WILL have to grind SOME for keys to various things. IN no way is this game as grind as ​7 to 21 days of casualy farming so you can key your self or your group for vex thal in everquest Luclin expansion.

Here is you Entitled chip on shoulder back.

step away from the game and try to realize that it a changing game that was neve going to stay the same as the release version.

You are not paying a monthly subscription . stop behaving like you are.

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Just want to clear this up for you, you seem a bit confused.

Watermark isn’t even a thing pre-60.

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That original “flair” is what drew me & many others to the game. They cut out enough of that flair, and we move on to the next best thing. Lets hope they make good choices for NW’s future.

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I am doing my onw version of chest grind just lower level stuff.

I have not tried the level 60 stuff as i been grinding crafting (furnture skill is a b**ch) .

I dont care that my gear may be lowered to my expertise level.

I will adjust to how the devs want us to play the game.

If any changes to the game make it so it is no longer entertaining for me . I will go play something else. This game has already provided and continues to provide $40 worth of entertainment.

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You still get loot bonus’s reguardless if you are 60 or not… I have seen a level 53 mining ori for example. He was flagged… He didn’t live long, 2 Shots maybe?

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But a low level getting killed easily has ZERO to do with watermark. You can’t even get a watermark until 60+. So stop trying to make it seem like this expertise system is affecting you getting killed easy under 60, it’s not.

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So you’re just here to white knight instead of playing a fun game?

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I am having fun

and continue to play the game. in fact playing now (chopping tree down)

I will stop when it is no longer fun . maybe the original poster should consider if it is worth his time to continue playing.

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i get change is naturally scarry to anyone

BUT did you honestly expect to stay the same as it release state ? that make no sense

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I completely understand that… Did me Mentioning everquest confuse you about that… where after level 40 there was no soloing at all unless you were a necro or druid.

Oh I would love to do dungeons everyday… I could do that… OH wait the game doesn’t let me… WE need to farm how many corruption nodes at what level to earn a key… WAIT HOW MANy… oh and special items from chests and mobs… for a one time key… RIGHT!!!

Oh and they put a 1 week cooldown on it like people have all the items to make it once a month even… RIGHT!!!

I remember taking a boat 45 min across a zone and it was the only way… I remember having 4 sets of backup gear cause your gear stayed on your body when you died… UNDER THE DRAGON and you had to spend hours recovering everyones bodies…

I am done with those days… we have learned and advanced since then 20+ years of what makes a MMO people wanna play… Why did players leave and what mistakes companies made…

What not a fan of history and research… You dont think I never group with anyone… or never ran a guild or ran a pickup raid or group… Did you read my 600 hours played as 6 hours played.

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Just another tantrum in the cereal aisle.

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When you change your whole gearing system that the same piece of gear doesn’t work the same between players because of a bad mechanic you designed YEAH … Thats bad.

RESET EVERYONE To 500… So everyone Gets hosed just the same then… I mean you WANNA BE FAIR RIGHT

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These changes should be scary if you give a shit about the game lol

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There’s a reason you’re here with us. And it’s not because this game is fun.

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no not confused at all.

I again stat the obvious this is not a single player RPG

There was bound to be grinding , time lock stuff etc.

If this is not for you then maybe just enjoy what you can of the game or find something better to spend your time on ?

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I’ma wait til the cash shop convenience items and skip that dogshit content

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I am posting here in this thread because of how outlandish the some players can get.

and still having fun in the game.